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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:57 pm to Centinel
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:57 pm to Centinel
quote:Huge corporations have gotten enough handouts from the government. I'm perfectly fine with them telling to shove it with this awful practice. It's not even intrusive or limiting what they can do with the games themselves. They lose no creative freedom. It's nothing but a loss of a garbage business practice.
That's still not a valid reason for government regulation.
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:20 pm to Drewbie
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Games like Rocket League, you get a duplicate item you already had? Tough, you just threw your money out the window.
Then:
1. Don't buy/open their loot boxes.
2. Play a game that allows selling of duplicate items.
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Or it's a shitty practice that promotes devs to lock all of the high-quality content behind a paywall that you aren't even guaranteed to get even if you do pay.
I do not disagree but that's no reason to go nuclear and beg the federal government to fix something that the marketplace will fix given time and better options.
The bottom line on this is that this is the EXACT kind of issue that a free marketplace can and will address if given time. Running to the government just because you're impatient is as irresponsible as it is ridiculous.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:45 pm to Drewbie
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Huge corporations have gotten enough handouts from the government.
What does this even have to do with the subject at hand?
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I'm perfectly fine with them telling to shove it with this awful practice.
So because you're mad about this particular subject, you want the government to "do something!" Got it.
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It's not even intrusive or limiting what they can do with the games themselves.
Ya, it is. It's telling them "you can't do X"
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It's nothing but a loss of a garbage business practice.
And this is still no justification for government interference. You being mad or not liking what a business is doing is not justification for government interference.
You don't like the way a game company operates? Go find another game.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:33 pm to Drewbie
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Huge corporations have gotten enough handouts from the government.
I didn't realize the government bailed out the video game industry.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:35 pm to Centinel
quote:I don't "want" the government to do anything. I'm just not upset at the stance they're taking. Huge difference.
you want the government to "do something!" Got it.
quote:I have an opinion. That doesn't make me mad. You'll develop enough mentally to understand that someday.
You being mad
Glorified slot machines don't have a place in everyday gaming, especially when the practice becomes this widespread across multiple genres of games. I don't care how or why it happens, but I support removing them.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:40 pm to Bard
quote:Hilarious you think this fixes anything. Spend $10 to get 5 items worth a total of a dollar so you can trade those 5 items to get one item worth 3 dollars.
Play a game that allows selling of duplicate items.
quote:I don't.
Don't buy/open their loot boxes.
quote:Who is begging for anything? You're exaggerating like a woman.
that's no reason to go nuclear and beg the federal government to fix something
quote:Naive as hell. Whales will always exist and will always feed this model.
The bottom line on this is that this is the EXACT kind of issue that a free marketplace can and will address if given time.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:07 pm to Drewbie
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I don't "want" the government to do anything. I'm just not upset at the stance they're taking. Huge difference.
"This law doesn't affect me, so I'm cool with it."
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I have an opinion. That doesn't make me mad.
Your responses in this thread pretty clearly indicate you're rather mad about this.
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You'll develop enough mentally to understand that someday.
And someday you'll make decisions based on reason instead of your emotions.
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Glorified slot machines don't have a place in everyday gaming,
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I don't care how or why it happens, but I support removing them.
Translation: "I don't like this, so I want government to remove it because my feelings are more important than anyone elses'"
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:30 pm to Centinel
quote:It directly affects me as a consumer. You aren't very bright are you?
"This law doesn't affect me, so I'm cool with it."
quote:Because I stated my opinion and you disagree?
Your responses in this thread pretty clearly indicate you're rather mad about this.
quote:Translation: My reading comprehension and reasoning skills are garbage.
Translation: "I don't like this, so I want government to remove it because my feelings are more important than anyone elses'"
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:30 am to Drewbie
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It directly affects me as a consumer. You aren't very bright are you?
The removal of loot boxes doesn't affect you, so you're cool with it.
But you already knew that.
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Translation: My reading comprehension and reasoning skills are garbage.
I'm not the one making decisions based on emotion, not reason in this thread.
A reasonable person would simply not purchase loot boxes and prevent their children from doing so, as any responsible parent would.
You, however, seem unable to control yourself and/or your children, so you want the government to do it for you. To hell with the people that have zero issues with lootboxes, you are obviously more important so the government must come save you and frick everyone else.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:14 am to Drewbie
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Play a game that allows selling of duplicate items.
Hilarious you think this fixes anything. Spend $10 to get 5 items worth a total of a dollar so you can trade those 5 items to get one item worth 3 dollars.
It does fix it and you've proven it by moving the goal posts as your rebuttal. You just went from "people can't resell" to "people can't resell for ENOUGH". A strong argument doesn't need to do that.
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that's no reason to go nuclear and beg the federal government to fix something
Who is begging for anything? You're exaggerating like a woman.
Says the guy making multiple posts supporting government legislating something just because he doesn't like it. Oh, sweet irony.
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Naive as hell. Whales will always exist and will always feed this model.
So some people will be able to use their greater wealth to get ahead? That sounds a whole lot like life.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:34 pm to Bard
quote:You can't resell those items for pure money. You can only trade them for other items within that game. So no, you can't resell them like you can something like CS:GO skins. I haven't moved the goalposts at all. The two of you just have a combined IQ of a 3rd grader.
You just went from "people can't resell" to "people can't resell for ENOUGH".
quote:Supporting =/= begging. Find a dictionary.
Says the guy making multiple posts supporting government legislating something just because he doesn't like it. Oh, sweet irony.
quote:And the exact reason why the "free market will fix this" is one of the dumbest statements you can make on this subject.
So some people will be able to use their greater wealth to get ahead? That sounds a whole lot like life.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:39 pm to Centinel
quote:Saying it again doesn't make it true.
The removal of loot boxes doesn't affect you, so you're cool with it.
quote:You aren't making decisions at all. You just have a differing opinion.
I'm not the one making decisions based on emotion, not reason in this thread
quote:I don't give a shite about the kids. Keep your credit card locked down and parent your kids. Never said anything defending lazy parenting, however I am for anything in favor of the consumer over the corporation in this specific instance.
A reasonable person would simply not purchase loot boxes and prevent their children from doing so, as any responsible parent would.
quote:Nice strawman.
You, however, seem unable to control yourself and/or your children
quote:If you don't see the problem with lootboxes, you just aren't paying attention or don't care about the health of games in general.
To hell with the people that have zero issues with lootboxes
quote:Speaking of being overly emotional
you are obviously more important so the government must come save you and frick everyone else.
You seem really upset that I don't agree with you. It'll be ok buddy.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:42 pm to Drewbie
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If you don't see the problem with lootboxes, you just aren't paying attention or don't care about the health of games in general.
If you don't see a problem with the government legislating what can be in video games, you are just retarded.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:46 pm to Esquire
quote:This isn't legislating what can be in video games. Stop overreacting. It's legislating how a company can monetize their game. It changes nothing about the game itself. If these are intrusive and immoral then so are the anti-trust laws and I don't see anyone bitching about government interference there.
what can be in video games
The fix is as simple as a game like Overwatch going from paying for the lootboxes themselves to just paying for the in-game currency you get out of the lootboxes so that you can buy the items from the shop. It's not rocket science and it's not completely gutting how any game works.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:55 pm to Drewbie
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The fix is as simple as a game like Overwatch going from paying for the lootboxes themselves to just paying for the in-game currency you get out of the lootboxes so that you can buy the items from the shop. It's not rocket science and it's not completely gutting how any game works.
It's as simple as not buying it if you don't like it. Why do you feel you need these items so much you need the government to give them to you?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:06 pm to Esquire
quote:Again, I don't. Haven't in quite some time. I don't care about pixels enough to gamble for them.
It's as simple as not buying it if you don't like it.
quote:Has nothing to do with me. Has everything to do with a shady business practice that the United States is already behind other parts of the world on checking.
Why do you feel you need these items so much you need the government to give them to you?
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:12 pm to Drewbie
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Saying it again doesn't make it true.
The fact that you actually believe that way does though. Your posts in here make it pretty apparent. Keep on denying though I guess?
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You aren't making decisions at all. You just have a differing opinion.
What part of "I'm not the on making decisions" did you not seem to understand?
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however I am for anything in favor of the consumer over the corporation in this specific instance.
Then you should want the consumer to have the freedom to purchase loot boxes if they wish.
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Nice strawman.
I noticed you didn't deny it either. At least you're honest with your inability to control your impulses.
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If you don't see the problem with lootboxes, you just aren't paying attention or don't care about the health of games in general.
I've never purchased a lootbox in any game because it's dumb. That's my choice, and it's cool that I have a choice. A choice you want removed because you don't like it.
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You seem really upset that I don't agree with you.
I don't give a rat's arse if you agree with me or not. I'm just pointing out your inability to control yourself and/or your children and instead of fixing your own issues, you want to run to daddy government to fix it for you.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:15 pm to Drewbie
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Has nothing to do with me.
It has everything to do with you. Otherwise you wouldn't care about lootboxes being in a game like the rest of us.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:19 pm to Centinel
quote:That literally makes no sense within the context of what you're replying to. I'm saying it affects me as a consumer. That's not denying anything. Try to keep up.
The fact that you actually believe that way does though. Your posts in here make it pretty apparent. Keep on denying though I guess?
quote:Quoting half the sentence to change the context
What part of "I'm not the on making decisions" did you not seem to understand?
quote:So now we know you don't know what a strawman is
I noticed you didn't deny it either. At least you're honest with your inability to control your impulses.
quote:How is choosing to not buy something being removed with this legislation? This was not a good post for you. At most it goes from lootboxes back to buying a certain currency for the in-game store where you can still choose to not pay for anything if you want. You still have that precious freedom of choice.
A choice you want removed because you don't like it.
quote:AKA your strawman.
I'm just pointing out your inability to control yourself and/or your children and instead of fixing your own issues
quote:Don't be so emotional.
you want to run to daddy government to fix it for you.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:20 pm to Centinel
quote:I'm of the opinion that the practice is bad for gaming as a whole. That doesn't make it personal.
Otherwise you wouldn't care about lootboxes being in a game like the rest of us.
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