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Tigers0891
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Sorry I’d rather the federal government have less reach just so it’s easier for you.


DieDaily
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
I don't like micro-transactions in video games because it generally dilutes what once was just part of the game. However, getting the government involved to regulate it is not the answer. Let the market decide.

And I don't understand how parents are allowing their kids to be exploited since it has such a simple solution. Require entry of a password for every transaction. It can be a pain, but it requires your kid to involve you in every purchase, which is when the adult can say "no."

I do this with my kids and neither of them have bought a single costume, character, etc in a game because I tell them to give me the cash they've been saving before I'll enter the password to approve the transaction. That's the point when they typically decide they really don't want it that badly.


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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
The main purpose of the US government is to protect the general public. If one industry uses its power to prey upon children, the government is well within its rights to step in. This is no different than when tabocco companies were targeting underage kids.


DieDaily
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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This is no different than when tabocco companies were targeting underage kids.
It's different considering tobacco causes cancer. If I gave my 7 year old my credit card so she could play the claw machine game at my local burger joint, I can assure you she'd spend whatever amount was required to hold every stuffed animal it contained.

Parents have to be the ones with the self control. The government shouldn't be doing it for us.


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TigerMyth36
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Let the market decide.


No. This isn't a market issue. It is a gambling for kids issue.

I don't care about pay to win but gambling for kids should be stopped.

Once again, you wouldn't want your kid having access to a sports book. You wouldn't want them buying games which gave them direct access to betting site or slot machines.

there is no difference. randomized loot boxes are nothing more than slot machines.

I have zero problem with paying for actual items. I do have a problem with a randomized slot machine. There isn't a single company out there that doesn't know fully well that loot boxes are nothing more than slot machines.

I guess you should be pissed that 12 year olds can't play slots at the casino.


CGSC Lobotomy
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
This will outright either kill free to play games or force them into a subscription-only model.


Drewbie
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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I have zero problem with paying for actual items. I do have a problem with a randomized slot machine. There isn't a single company out there that doesn't know fully well that loot boxes are nothing more than slot machines.
This is pretty much where I am. Have an in-game cash shop full of all the shite you want, but take the gambling out of it.


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Bard
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
I hate loot boxes with the burning intensity of a thousand flaring suns but I understand why the exist. It's the trade-off for having free or nearly-free games. With that said...

This bill is needless, over-reaching bull shite and anyone supporting it should be ashamed of themselves.

1. No one is forcing anyone to participate. Participation is solely the choice of the player.

2. This is every bit as much "gambling" as is the McDonald's Monopoly tie-in, any fricking carnival game, any raffle, BINGO, a shitty door-prize that you may win by participating in a costume contest or just buying a pack of Pokemon/Magic/MLB/whatever cards hoping to get that OMFGAWESOMEZZ rare card. If your stance for this bill is based on doing it to keep children away from the evils of gambling then all those other things need to be regulated as well.

-What this would probably end up doing is making it so that only someone with a valid ID showing they are 18 or older can buy a fricking large fries at Mc D's during Monopoly time. Is that really the world you want to live in?

3. This is the parents' responsibility. If little Tommy is spending money on a "Luscious Bundle" without your permission, that's not for the fault of Congress; it's yours. Don't want to take that time to research a game to see how to make sure this sort of shite doesn't happen? Then don't let little Tommy play the game. Period. The end.



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DieDaily
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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This isn't a market issue.
This very much is a market issue. An adult has to willingly tie their financial information into these games to enable their kids to purchase the loot boxes to begin with. If my kid wants to play a game that requires my credit card info, that's a hard pass. "Sorry buddy. Find a different game. You're not playing this one."

Please explain how this is different than buying a pack of baseball cards, Pokemon cards, or ticket reward games like you'd find at Chuck E Cheese? Is it because they're tangible and a virtual loot box isn't? Why is that the differentiating factor? Because the game developers have reduced costs and higher margins? Where does this train of thinking stop and why?

I get that we don't like these elements infecting our favorite game franchises, but I'm not willing to run to the government to resolve the problem when personal responsibility will suffice.


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Bard
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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It is a gambling for kids issue.


If that's the case then so is buying a pack of sports or gaming cards. Are you really wanting a scenario where you have to show your ID just to prove you are an adult just to buy a pack of Upper Decks? You would really rather that than a parent to just be more responsible for raising their child instead of letting Candy Crush do it?


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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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the federal government can stay out of video games and parents can monitor their children’s gaming and not leave them access to a credit card.


This


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jivy26
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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You are fundamentally right imo, but 'parental involvement' is obviously not cutting it and I doubt that will change.


You're comment infers that parents can't stop their kids from in-game purchases. My kids love fortnite and he bought V bucks once and he'll never do it again.

The government doesn't need to interfere, they'll just jack it up.
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LouisvilleKat
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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This will outright either kill free to play games or force them into a subscription-only model.

There is another model thats worked for decades. Just saying.


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Brettesaurus Rex
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Nah I'm actually on board. The shite you can pay for in mobile games is practically theft.


tketaco
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Pay to win? What the hell are they winning a funner experience? Shit, you get the same treatment at the strip club, should I do a bill so everyone gets a blowjob in the VIP Room of Visions instead of the guys with money?


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Esquire
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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The shite you can pay for in mobile games is practically theft


Are you forced to purchase it? Didn’t think so.


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Bard
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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The shite you can pay for in mobile games is practically theft.


Only for people with no willpower. Those people are also the ones that keep channels like HSN & QVC running.


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jmorr34
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Is there anything that prevents the companies from giving free boxes to employees in order for them to remain the most "powerful"?

Let's take these mobile games for example where people buy these packs. The makers could just give themselves the strongest accounts so everyone else is always trying to keep up.
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Esquire
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Is there anything that prevents the companies from giving free boxes to employees in order for them to remain the most "powerful"?


No, and why shouldn’t that be allowed? It’s their game. They can do whatever they want. It’s up to you as a consumer to not play if you don’t like their practices.


cigsmcgee
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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It’s up to you as a consumer to not play if you don’t like their practices.




and its the "free market" that lets EA get exclusive rights to the NFL, Star Wars, and world soccer, essentially monopolizing the marketplace, allowing them to incorporate pay-to-win schemes, knowing that users who want to play licensed games have no other options.

i would have zero issues with EA creating a rigged game designed to frustrate players into pulling the lever for better loot if I was able to choose a different licensed sports game to purchase. but the market has decided i cant. so frick the market, bring on the regulations.


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