re: Some gamers seriously need help, re: female generals in Total War Rome II

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Very, very few people here are impressed with your clumsy attempts at virtue signaling.

You can easily go find a click of other self loathing beta males and you can all talk in circles for hours about how horrible straight, white males are to prove how "woke" you are to each other.

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Very, very few people here are impressed with your clumsy attempts at virtue signaling.

You can easily go find a click of other self loathing beta males and you can all talk in circles for hours about how horrible straight, white males are to prove how "woke" you are to each other.

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Bingo?

Anyone?

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female numbers aren't as minuscule as you want to make it to be

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Eh, they kinda are.

Especially in the case of shooters.

Has that demographic grown some? Sure, but it is still extremely small.

The research I have seen shows that the percentage of gamers who enjoy FPS and tactical shooters and are female is somewhere between 2-7% of that genres entire player base.

The numbers are tiny.

Females don’t flock to those genres.

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would you be fine with more inclusion if it didn't come with the perceived underlying message of "down with males"?

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Sure.

I recommend not calling it “inclusion” though.

Just make a good game and create decent characters.

Don’t make the race or gender of the character the most important aspect.

If you do that, no one would care.

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Sometimes it's just "this might be really interesting if we go the female route" with no agenda.

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Yea, and those usually turn out well. I listed examples earlier, but we can run through some more.

The Last of Us 2 - No one cares that she is a female. The story will be fantastic. Her gender is irrelevant.

Mirror’s Edge - Not a single person complained about the gender of the main character.

Horizon Zero Dawn - No one gave a crap.

I could even list all the games out there where people can make their own characters as females or any race, and no one cares.

The important thing that these companies need to do is make it organic. Don’t force it. Don’t beat people over the head with it.

And, for God’s sake, don’t tell the consumers to go frick themselves if they find something not to their liking or annoying.

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Shocked by this considering the heavy matriarchal themes.

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Because it made sense in the context of the game.

That's what I see you continually missing in this thread. It's not the inclusion of females in games...it's the context of why they were included.

People play video games, watch sports, tv, etc. in order to escape from the perpetual bullshite they have to deal with in every day life. When media producers start injecting political narratives in to the very few places people can escape this shite, they get pissed off. And rightfully so.

It's why people are angry over Total War. It's why people are angry about casting Ciri as a minority female. It's why people are angry about all the political shite on ESPN and the whole kneeling fiasco.

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Because it made sense in the context of the game.

That's what I see you continually missing in this thread. It's not the inclusion of females in games...it's the context of why they were included.

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Ding ding ding

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That's what I see you continually missing in this thread. It's not the inclusion of females in games...it's the context of why they were included.

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I get that point, but the Total War thing proved a point that not everything is a political point and often time not as egregious as the kneejerk reactions would suggest. It was an old patch, the percentages showed that the screen with all 5 of the options being females was probably fudged/modded, and showed that even with the inclusion they were still historically accurate with the time and regions.

The Battlefield V stuff doesn't make sense to me because we know absolutely nothing about it. Sure, they made her the cover of the box art (the horror), but there are 3 other people in that group, all who are probably as badd arse if not more than her. Again, we know nothing. But the initial reaction was to overreact. Fox even objected to the black guy with blue face paint because of some notion of gay pride. How delusional do you have to be to go there?

The reaction from the CEO of EA was ill advised, but the outrcy was so ridiculously over the top, it's kind of not surprising.

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