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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 12/6/14 at 1:26 am to
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/6/14 at 1:26 am to
Hai bby
Posted by SECond2none™
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 12/6/14 at 9:15 am to
I have a friend that wants to build a non gaming PC. Very simple needs. Doesn't need a monitor, keyboard, or mouse, just looking for plenty of storage for pictures and music and really only going to use it to browse the internet and check email sort of thing. Would want a legal version of windows 7 or 8. He has a $300 price point in mind. With such minimal needs, would a custom build be worth it for him, or should he just stick with an off-the-shelf PC? If we do custom, any input would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:03 am to
Off the shelf
Posted by SECond2none™
Member since Aug 2003
7756 posts
Posted on 12/6/14 at 3:39 pm to
Thanks
Posted by Covingtiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:27 pm to
Anybody come across any good CPU, motherboard, or CPU/motherboard combo deals lately? Looking to upgrade.
Posted by GeauxTime9
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2010
7029 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 5:21 pm to
Want to upgrade my gaming build over the Holidays. What would be the best thing to upgrade to get a boost.

Current Build:

i5 3570
gtx 760
z77 motherboard
ssd 120gb


Was thinking about getting the i5 4690k. Would this be a big upgrade compared to the 3570?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

Was thinking about getting the i5 4690k. Would this be a big upgrade compared to the 3570?


Nope. It would be a 10% boost in overall CPU performance (at best) that you'd never notice in games.

GPU upgrade for gaming performance boost. What's your current power supply, and how much do you want to spend?
Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
18891 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 6:36 pm to
Does anyone have good suggestions for gaming mice? I have a friend who suggested the Logitech g500s but I wanted more opinions/suggestions before I decided on which one I would be getting.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 6:44 pm to
G500 is an old favorite of mine... I'd go to Best Buy and see what kind of gaming mice they have on display to get a feel for them. They may only have Razer products on display, though. I'm more of a logitech fanboy.

The latest models from Logitech that look interesting are the G502 and G402. I may gift myself one or the other for Christmas.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
19385 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 6:53 pm to
I haven't found a better mouse than the g500. I love it
Posted by GeauxTime9
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2010
7029 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:50 pm to
quote:

What's your current power supply, and how much do you want to spend?


I have a 500w power supply. I thought i had a pretty good build but games lately aren't running as good as some buddies who have just around the same build as i do. I have 8gb of ram...should i add a stick or two? A buddy said if i jumped to the i5 4690 that i may have to change motherboards...is that true? I mainly play MMOs and seem to bog down pretty bad in busy areas.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

I have a 500w power supply.

Brand and model

quote:

I thought i had a pretty good build but games lately aren't running as good as some buddies who have just around the same build as i do.


"Just around" is not the same. I hate when people generically compare gaming performance to other people's builds for many reasons:
A) People lie. They do. They're insecure assholes.
B) If they don't lie, they are at least misinformed.
C) There are countless variables even if the rigs were identical to the letter. What settings (all of them, not a generic "high" or "maxed" or "ultra"). What resolution? How is performance being measured? What's running in the background? Is anything overclocked? etc etc etc

quote:

I have 8gb of ram...should i add a stick or two?

How much RAM is being used while gaming right now? How much of your pagefile is being used by the game? Short answer: you probably don't need more RAM.

quote:

A buddy said if i jumped to the i5 4690 that i may have to change motherboards...is that true?


There is no "may." You will. Completely different socket. It would be foolish to do this and expect markedly improved gaming performance, even in CPU-intensive games. If you're going to throw money at a new CPU and motherboard (hundreds of dollars), you better make it count with a CPU that does more than carry a 10% IPC improvement. And even if you do jump to an i7, do your games even use more than 4 threads? If not, it's still a waste of money.

What's your CPU usage in busy areas? How many threads max do your games use? What's your max and average GPU usage? What's your max and average framerate? Min framerate? What resolution are you gaming at? What kind of graphics settings are you using? What's your vram usage? Have you made sure your GPU and/or CPU are not throttling? What are your core temps?


If you have any questions about how to figure out my above questions, feel free to ask. Just don't have time right this second to write a tutorial on all of it, but most of the things above can be figured out with monitoring/OSD programs like Afterburner. It's important to know the answers to all of these questions, or you'll be buying shite for no reason and still wondering why your performance isn't what you expected.
Posted by GeauxTime9
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2010
7029 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:44 pm to
Corsair cx500 is the make and model of the power supply. As far as all the other stuff you lost me. I'm not a huge PC gamer but I did build this rig last year for me to use at home. Lately I have played DayZ and my average FPS is probably around 30. I have the nvidia experience program. Can't that program answer a lot of those questions?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
54681 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:28 am to
Going to jump in here with a random question.

Had a thread regarding builds a couple weeks ago. Those parts should all be in by the end of this week.

Any recommended sites with regards to videos on how to put the thing together? Are some parts needed to be installed before others?
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69465 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:48 am to




Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Any recommended sites with regards to videos on how to put the thing together?


Newegg videos. Part 1 is part selection, which is already done. Start with part 2:
LINK

Then Part 3:
LINK

Watch part 2 first of course. Then get your parts together, and then watch part 2 again.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:38 am to
quote:

I have the nvidia experience program. Can't that program answer a lot of those questions?


I don't know. I barely use that program. I don't think it has all the advanced OSD information you'd get from EVGA PrecisionX or Afterburner.

With afterburner, you can have an OSD showing:
GPU Temperature
GPU usage
GPU voltage
GPU fan speed
GPU core clock
GPU memory clock
GPU memory usage

Framerate
Frametime
CPU temperature on each core
CPU usage on each core
System memory usage
Pagefile usage

And more, especially if you have more than one GPU. The ones in bold are the ones to be concerned with first.

quote:

Lately I have played DayZ and my average FPS is probably around 30

Because DayZ is unoptimized and runs like shite on all PCs. Don't use that game as a gauge of performance.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69465 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:47 am to
Since you're here, should I just stick with CCC to OC my 290 when it comes today or use something else?


What is the OC range on this card since it is already factory OC'ed?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:22 pm to
CCC is fine only if you don't intend to overvolt. It's a decent enough cooler that you might want to consider using afterburner or Trixx to bump the voltage another 50mv. I had this exact model but I immediately put it under water so I can't tell you what it can handle on air.

It will likely have Hynix memory so you can overclock memory to somewhere between 1500 and 1600 pretty reliably. Voltage on the memory is locked regardless of OC program.

Boost clock is already at 1000. You will probably have less than 200 MHz leeway there before you're limited by voltage, heat, power, or some combination of the three. I had mine at 1200Mhz and it would occasionally find a game that didn't like it that high. I put as much voltage into it as Trixx would allow, so realistically you may only get another 100-150MHz on top of the factory OC. However, I was using crossfire, and overclocks have to be a tad milder in that configuration to balance power and bandwidth, and you also have to match your weakest card (the one that doesn't overclock quite as well).

Check your ASIC score with GPU-Z, and that will give you a rough (very rough) idea of how your card will perform. This card is based on the reference design, so ASIC quality can be all over the map. However, one thing I've noticed with the AIBs selling reference boards with non-reference coolers is that those all tend to have average to below average ASIC scores (roughly translating to requiring more voltage to sustain clocks and producing more heat). They'll slap a better cooler on them, apply a mild overclock that pretty much any GPU could handle, and sell it for more money (back when it was new, at least). Enough time has passed though that you're probably just as likely to get a high-ASIC card.

Also, unless you really like Afterburner's OSD features, I would just use Sapphire Trixx. As far as I know, afterburner still has not fixed a bug regarding the power slider in Hawaii chips that requires a small workaround.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69465 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:21 pm to
I'll try out Trixx.

Just got delivered.
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