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re: Whiskey/Bourbon/Scotch Volume III

Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:18 pm to
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One thing I appreciate is for the most part the people at my tasting tell me if they hate something....which I love..I say cool, now I get what you like...I think you should try ____ instead. Everyone that loves bourbon now had to ease in....I'm trying to at least guide people into doing it the right way lol


I usually don't find a bourbon I hate...usually...because I like the vast difference in flavor. Ultra old and oak bomb is great...smooth middle of the road something or another superb. If I wanted it to all taste like one thing id just buy the same bottle. There are some tho that are terrible doe. Everyone's pallet is different and even your own will change. We that drink daily if we take even just a week off things taste different...tastebuds not so smooth anymore
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:19 pm to
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I tell people all the time...it's a very good $65 bottle. Nothing over that, and even at that price point there are other things on the shelf that beat it. But if you are just getting into bourbon blatnons is a great way to spend $65


I feel like i may be the only bourbon drinker that actually thinks blanton's is really good, whilst also liking other bourbons. I get the hype for Blanton's is absurd, but it really is a very good whiskey, IMO.

The hype has at the same time, garnered appreciation from your new bourbon drinkers, while also garnered hate from the connoisseurs and both may be a bit disingenuous. Yes, it's a "status" symbol, so much as to brag about it because it was in a movie and because it's near impossible to get. But, it's also a great bourbon. Yes, smooth is the first descriptor because it doesn't have an alcohol burn. Which makes it more palatable to a beginner. But, it also has some depth. I get subtle layers of caramel and vanilla, with aromas of leather.

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At the end of the day though mainly just showing people that there is other stuff out there not named Eagle Rare and Blantons that they would enjoy.


I love Eagle rare as well. It's my favorite value bourbon out there, but it has become as hard to get as blanton's, unfortunately.

To your point on tastings, maybe you can recommend some stuff for me. I'm not a newbie, but i'm not an expert either. I'm looking for some bottles i haven't had before. Below is what's in my cabinet. This isn't a "brag" post, but based on what you do, what can you recommend as something i don't have.

EH Taylor Small Batch - absolute favorite bourbon of all time.
Old Forrester 1920 - May come in 2nd to EH Taylor
Old Forrester 1910 - It's good, but this 2nd bottle wasn't the vanilla bomb the first one i had was.
Woodford Reserve Double Oak
Knob Creek 9 year Calandro's pick - So much caramel. This is a very good bottle.
Eagle Rare
Blanton's TA pick
WT Rare Breed - Latest bottle is just ok.
Ragged Branch Rye - don't care for it
Ragged Branch acquistaspace - don't care for it
High West Double Rye Peated cask - was never a big rye drinker, and wanted to get into scotch, figured this may bridge the gap. I think it did the trick for scotch, but not yet for rye. It's an interesting and unique, and very peaty flavor, but not over the top like a laphroig scotch. Had a Balvenie 14 year caribbean cask the following weekend, and thought that was fantastic.
Weller green label - It's ok. Tastes a little sugary to me.
Buffalo Trace
Bulleit Rye - a very old bottle, that i don't like but keep it around in case someone is a rye drinker.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:22 pm to
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I feel like i may be the only bourbon drinker that actually thinks blanton's is really good, whilst also liking other bourbons. I get the hype for Blanton's is absurd, but it really is a very good whiskey, IMO


My issue with Blanton’s is that it’s not good. It’s just not so good to warrant non retail prices.

Personally I like it, but there are very good bourbons for less cost and if I’m going to overpay for a bourbon, it won’t be for Blantons.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:24 pm to
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It’s just not so good to warrant non retail prices.


I'd agree with this, but i also wouldn't pay non-retail prices for any bourbon really. There are so many good bottles out there, no reason to pay a markup because of allocation.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:25 pm to
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Weller green label - It's ok. Tastes a little sugary to me


That one is OK but it’s definitely the cheapest Weller for a reason. My personal favorite Weller is the antique 107
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:32 pm to
I will overpay for things like a BTAC or Stagg Jr bottle.
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:32 pm to
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actually thinks blanton's is really good


It is...it is a smooth easy sipper.

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the hype


Is the problem.

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it has become as hard to get as blanton's


Is the result of the hype.

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it's a "status" symbol


Because of.



It's the natural progression in today's world and we who just enjoy it have to suffer. The distilleries are just as guilty. Moving and dropping age statements and pushing out younger stuff to capitalize. You drink a few of the no age statement younger jobs and lay into a 10-15y used to be average bottle from yesteryear and it's apparent IMO.

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EH Taylor Small Batch - absolute favorite bourbon of all time.
Old Forrester 1920 - May come in 2nd to EH Taylor


My top two as well sorta. EHT was my go too daily for a long time. We did some extensive scientific studies (drunks) with the small-batch and single-barrel and determine the single barrel warrants the increase in price. Barrel proof was the weekend pour. That all went the way of the others so now 1920 is one that i'd reach for to replace.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:34 pm to
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I will overpay for things like a BTAC or Stagg Jr bottle


Yep. I’ll add Pappy to the list… but I won’t pay the extreme prices it fetches.
Posted by BrohemAlem11
Ratchet City, LA
Member since Oct 2014
13795 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:37 pm to
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New blood is out there buying the shite that gets them the most likes without even knowing what they are drinking.


Exactly....and it kills me cause there is a store around here that charges $160 for blantons and $75 or so for weller SR...guys are buying it because they see people on social media flipping for it and they don't know better. They drink it and it's good and smooth so all in all they think they doing good. It's fricking hard to watch
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:38 pm to
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Moving and dropping age statements and pushing out younger stuff to capitalize. You drink a few of the no age statement younger jobs and lay into a 10-15y used to be average bottle from yesteryear and it's apparent IMO.



I've had some "young" bourbons from new distilleries, anywhere from 4-6 years old, and i haven't found one that wasn't harsh. Kind of makes sense, seeing as so many new distilleries opening up, and not being able to sit on barrels for 8-10 years before selling, may be the reason regular old Buffalo Trace is now hard to get.

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We did some extensive scientific studies (drunks) with the small-batch and single-barrel and determine the single barrel warrants the increase in price.


I've read a few reviews that single barrel, in some cases, was downright bad, and small batch seems to beat out single barrel in a lot of blind tastings. I had a glass of single barrel in Tampa at the davidoff cigar shop. I couldn't tell you which was better, but drinking that while smoking a good cigar was pretty nice.

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That all went the way of the others so now 1920 is one that i'd reach for to replace.



I just hope the secret doesn't get out on 1920, and then that goes the way of BT bourbons.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3911 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:39 pm to
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We that drink daily if we take even just a week off things taste different...tastebuds not so smooth anymore


Emphasis on this because I notice sometimes my tastebuds must be less awake on some nights because sometimes a bottle of mine will taste amazing and the same bottle a different night will just taste good.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:45 pm to
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I will overpay for things like a BTAC or Stagg Jr bottle.


I have had Stagg Jr. at a bar, but never any of the BTAC. Would love to get my hands on a bottle of any of those, but within reasonable price point. I'll continue to try my luck at retail prices and raffles.
Posted by BrohemAlem11
Ratchet City, LA
Member since Oct 2014
13795 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:50 pm to
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To your point on tastings, maybe you can recommend some stuff for me. I'm not a newbie, but i'm not an expert either. I'm looking for some bottles i haven't had before. Below is what's in my cabinet. This isn't a "brag" post, but based on what you do, what can you recommend as something i don't have.



very solid line up. Id make a few suggestions on where to go next if you havent already.

Russels reserve single barrel: This is one of the best bottles on the shelf imo as far as depth goes...the fact that you enjoy OF 1920 lets me know you ready for something with some proof and I think you'll really enjoy this one. Also..if you ever see a store pick, GRAB IT.

Bakers 7 yr: Based on you enjoying KC, I think you'll dig this one. It was small batch but now comes in SiB form on the shelf. at 107 proof I find it's got that classic nutty, earthy beam profile you get from beam but turned up a bit, but not as turned up as say a bookers...which is overpriced and hard to find these days.

If you're really looking to branch into rye, Id recommend starting with knob creek rye...it's a barley legal rye meaninng it has only around 51% rye in the mashbill so it drinks like a spicier bourbon honestly.

since you mentioned liking vanilla bombs, I suggest exploring higher end makers. Makers 46 has ton of vanilla and some of the makers private selects can have big rich vanilla flavors depending on the stave profile selected.

Posted by NOLAGT
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:54 pm to
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I've had some "young" bourbons from new distilleries, anywhere from 4-6 years old, and i haven't found one that wasn't harsh. Kind of makes sense, seeing as so many new distilleries opening up, and not being able to sit on barrels for 8-10 years before selling, may be the reason regular old Buffalo Trace is now hard to get.


4-6 is the new bottom floor that used to be 8-12 and they are harsh young little teenagers. Regular ol BT is hard because it's linked to the mecca of the "bourbon craze blowup" Sazerac. It was/is the cheapest used to be all over sazerac bottle everyone had to have because you are not on the list for blantons or the likes.

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I've read a few reviews that single barrel, in some cases, was downright bad, and small batch seems to beat out single barrel in a lot of blind tastings


IMO because single barrels differ from barrel to barrel and a person that falls in love with one flavor profile may not like the next single barrel offering. Small batch is more consistent in its flavorings. I find a single barrel to have a more rich flavor depth than a small batch but I can certainly see the point that some don't jive with the taste buds.

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I just hope the secret doesn't get out on 1920


I can be a bit of a pessimist lol. I see it going the same route or old foresters reusing the juice for some limited edition stuff. Elijah craig is a perfect example the 12y used to be cheap plentiful and good...now it's what 8-10y (No age stm) and the barrel proof is 12 years. They don't have the old juice as they used to and they don't want to wait an extra 4 years and miss out on the profits.
Posted by t00f
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:57 pm to
I'll throw in Wilderness Trail

and I am a Sagamore whore.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57819 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:00 pm to
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Russels reserve single barrel: This is one of the best bottles on the shelf imo as far as depth goes...the fact that you enjoy OF 1920 lets me know you ready for something with some proof and I think you'll really enjoy this one. Also..if you ever see a store pick, GRAB IT.


I bought a bottle a year or 2 ago, Calandro's store pick. It was great. Need to grab another.

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Bakers 7 yr: Based on you enjoying KC, I think you'll dig this one.


I keep seeing this, but never pull the trigger. Maybe it's the price point for a 7 year old bourbon that keeps me from getting it.

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I suggest exploring higher end makers. Makers 46 has ton of vanilla and some of the makers private selects can have big rich vanilla flavors depending on the stave profile selected.


Another bourbon i haven't quite pulled the trigger on. I've had it at restaurants, but admittedly, my palate was already trashed with wine and beer.

Thanks for the recs, i'll grab some bottles this week!
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19468 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:04 pm to
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EH Taylor Small Batch - absolute favorite bourbon of all time.


I just got a bottle of EH Taylor Single Barrell from a buddy who owns a liquor store. I have enjoyed that bottle
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
14013 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:05 pm to
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Bakers 7 yr


Is now allocated (at least for the little guys like me) OF 1920 im looking at you.

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knob creek rye


Yep. I also like baby sazerac and bullet but I usualy mix a rye into a OF rather than out the glass. I do enoy some rys not mixed tho.

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vanilla bombs, Makers 46


Agreed, I like me some 46

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Russels reserve single barrel: Also..if you ever see a store pick, GRAB IT.


I may be bias but YES Only barrel I have been privy to so far that I felt I could move easily. I'll see if I can get something else fun this year.

This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37038 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:39 pm to
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I've had some "young" bourbons from new distilleries, anywhere from 4-6 years old, and i haven't found one that wasn't harsh.


Most of the stuff coming out of Old Forester is only 4-5 years old. They just do temperature cycling in their warehouses, which is supposedly why it doesn't taste so young.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28552 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:51 pm to
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Bakers 7 yr: Based on you enjoying KC, I think you'll dig this one.


I keep seeing this, but never pull the trigger. Maybe it's the price point for a 7 year old bourbon that keeps me from getting it.




$50 for a 7yr bourbon is a good price, and Bakers is fantastic. The best part is that it's minimum 7. I have a bottle that's 8yrs 9mos.




Ok on to some laughs. This review of "Rare Stash Bourbon" is the best 18 minutes of my life today. Seriously this dude lays into it with some very funny lines.

lol
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