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One of the first breweries I traveled to Deep Ellum
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:16 am
I was never a fan of their beer and feel that Dallas has much better options but sucks to see someone who is an OG in the creft beer game close.
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:17 am to Falco
Looks like deep ellum is "on the move"...
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:18 am to Falco
Seems like the craft beer market is rapidly shrinking. I can think of about a half dozen in Houston that have closed recently. The ones that are thriving have cool neighborhood tap rooms.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:20 am to NIH
Urban South announced their Houston location will close, but Houston has a bunch of newer ones stepping up.
Ingenious closing was odd because they had a following but I understand considering the loans and all these places took out to stay open during covid.
Ingenious closing was odd because they had a following but I understand considering the loans and all these places took out to stay open during covid.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:37 am to Zappas Stache
Was not aware of the second but out, I remember reading about the original on the Church
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:34 pm to NIH
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Seems like the craft beer market is rapidly shrinking.
Craft beer is so 2013
Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:29 pm to Falco
I don't know what the reason is for the closure, but I know that during my time in Portland, I discovered that most of the breweries could stand alone as a restaurant. Very few breweries were stand alone breweries with just a taproom or just distribution.
Great Notion, Breakside, Fort George, Block 15, Level, Ruse, Culmination, Cascade, Wayfinder, McMenamin Bros, 10 Barrel, etc, all are great restaurants with great atmospheres in addition to putting out some really good beers.
I almost forgot Deschutes, which may be the best restaurant/atmosphere of them all.
There are no restrictions on how much they can sell in house, distribute, etc, so there are no conflicts with being a restaurant, a bar, and a distributor.
I spent time in Denver, Indianapolis, and now South Florida, and most of the breweries in these locations are just taprooms, or taprooms with very limited menus. I would never consider them as someplace to take the family or people who are not craft beer drinkers. I think that is a key for breweries in Portland, is that you go there for a night out, not just when you are in the mood for a beer. They appeal to the non-craft beer people.
Are their restrictions in LA that prevent breweries from being a restaurant, brewery, AND still distribute?
Great Notion, Breakside, Fort George, Block 15, Level, Ruse, Culmination, Cascade, Wayfinder, McMenamin Bros, 10 Barrel, etc, all are great restaurants with great atmospheres in addition to putting out some really good beers.
I almost forgot Deschutes, which may be the best restaurant/atmosphere of them all.
There are no restrictions on how much they can sell in house, distribute, etc, so there are no conflicts with being a restaurant, a bar, and a distributor.
I spent time in Denver, Indianapolis, and now South Florida, and most of the breweries in these locations are just taprooms, or taprooms with very limited menus. I would never consider them as someplace to take the family or people who are not craft beer drinkers. I think that is a key for breweries in Portland, is that you go there for a night out, not just when you are in the mood for a beer. They appeal to the non-craft beer people.
Are their restrictions in LA that prevent breweries from being a restaurant, brewery, AND still distribute?
Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:39 pm to Jax-Tiger
Licensing, the only places in LA that offer a legit food options are
- Adopted Dog
- Bayou Teche
- Nola
- Port Orleans
- Agile
- Crying Eagle
- Great Raft
- Rally Cap
- Le Chien
- Gnarley Barley
All of these specialize in pizza though it seems with Port Orleans being different.
The rest are tap room and need food trucks to pimp them. I may be missing some of the newer ones that have food as an extra option but those are the ones I know offer a legit kitchen and food.
- Adopted Dog
- Bayou Teche
- Nola
- Port Orleans
- Agile
- Crying Eagle
- Great Raft
- Rally Cap
- Le Chien
- Gnarley Barley
All of these specialize in pizza though it seems with Port Orleans being different.
The rest are tap room and need food trucks to pimp them. I may be missing some of the newer ones that have food as an extra option but those are the ones I know offer a legit kitchen and food.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:45 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Are their restrictions in LA that prevent breweries from being a restaurant, brewery, AND still distribute?
I believe so. I think in order to function as a restaurant and serve food you have to have a brewpub license, which doesn’t allow you to distribute off site. I think there are ways around it like having the restaurant be separate like the Abita brewpub.
The laws may have changed but I remember the owner of Crying Eagle explaining this to me when they changed their license over. Honestly it probably saved their business to convert to selling food because that definitely brings in a larger crowd of people and is probably profitable as well.
They were in danger of closing post COVID but are now building out their second location on the lake front which will be a restaurant as well.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:01 pm to borrelia
Crying Eagle, Bayou Teche, Nola, Adopted Dog do not distribute anymore... Agile, Rally Cap, Port Orleans, Great Raft still do though
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:16 pm to Jax-Tiger
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most of the breweries could stand alone as a restaurant.
That is what most craft breweries are doing in Texas. And for the breweries like Deep Ellum that are closing, there are several small brewpubs w/ restaurants opening. In the last year there are 3 that have opened in the general area of Deep Ellum and another about to open.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:41 pm to Zappas Stache
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Zappas Stache
I know you have spent time in Portland, so you know what I'm talking about. It makes sense to do it in TX, too. The other thing that helps small breweries is being able to self distribute. The small breweries can sell excess kegs to local taprooms, which helps both the breweries and the taprooms. No distributor contract needed.
The taproom we met up at (Loyal Legion) had everything - food, great atmosphere, and an unbelievable tap list. Some of the beers on tap were not available anywhere out side of Loyal Legion, except for the brewery taproom. They just opened a new location about a mile from my old house. So did Great Notion. Damn...
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:02 pm to Falco
that's pretty surprising
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:06 pm to Falco
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Ingenious
Only went to the taproom a few times but would often buy their beer at my local Heb. They put out some good beer, really miss their sours.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:41 pm to Jax-Tiger
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The other thing that helps small breweries is being able to self distribute.
Texas passed some new brewery laws a few years ago and modeled them on Oregon and Colorado laws that allow Brewpubs, which is a different classification in Texas from Breweries, to self distribute.
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They just opened a new location about a mile from my old house. So did Great Notion
Ha, maybe a good thing you don't live there anymore.
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