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re: NOLA restaurants that are keeping their vaccine mandates despite the City dropping it

Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:17 am to
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14207 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:17 am to
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I’d bet my bottom dollar Bearcat will.

Could’ve been a momentary lapse but their sister restaurant, Le Chat Noir, didn’t ask us for vaccine card last Friday.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:15 pm to
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what are your thoughts on the smoking ban in restaurants?

a lot of people are all about allowing restaurants do their thing until it comes to smoking.


People should have the right to do whatever they want, as long as it does not impact the people around them.

Smoking impacts the people around them.

Also the smoking ban in restaurants is a state ban. The smoking ban in bars is a city ban.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:17 pm to
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It will last about a week until they realize no one is coming.


Over the years I've worked with a number of restaurant owners / chefs.

Most of them are freaking terrible businesspeople. They are far more concerned about "their craft" or "what people think about them" then they are about making enough money to pay the bills.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
86228 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:20 pm to
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People should have the right to do whatever they want, as long as it does not impact the people around them.

Smoking impacts the people around them.


literally the same argument for the mask/vaccine mandates

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:23 pm to
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and non smokers can choose to get away from it (im not a smoker).


The right to swing your arm ends where your fist crosses my face.

When two individual rights run counter to each other, we are going to always have these problems, and I think the only fair solution is to side with the right that more people are trying to exercise.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6171 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:24 pm to
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literally the same argument for the mask/vaccine mandates


yea if mask and vaccines actually prevented people from getting and spreading the virus
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:25 pm to
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literally the same argument for the mask/vaccine mandates


It was the same argument pushed by some.

However, those people were incorrect and did not understand the argument they were trying to make.

The mask thing wasn't supported by science, second hand smoke is. Further, there is a noxious odor produced by smoke, that is not produced by one having COVID.

And the vax mandate was totally bonkers. Me being vaxxed effects me, it has nothing to do with you.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:27 pm to
Do we have a list?

If a business wants to enforce it, cool.

Even without seeing a list, I'm pretty confident that the places enforcing this, are not places I usually visit or want to visit =)
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86228 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:31 pm to
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It was the same argument pushed by some.


It was the entire logic behind the mandates

The fact is that you don't have to go into an establishment that allows smoking, therefore it is not impeding on anyone's rights

comparing the smoking ban to the mask/vaccine mandates is completely applicable


Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86228 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:32 pm to
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yea if mask and vaccines actually prevented people from getting and spreading the virus


you missed the point entirely
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:05 pm to
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The fact is that you don't have to go into an establishment that allows smoking, therefore it is not impeding on anyone's rights


Ahh, but I have the right to go into that establishment.

Just like the smoker has the right to go into that establishment.

But the smoker does not have the right to ruin the use of my establishment.

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t was the entire logic behind the mandates


It was the stated reason. It was not, and never will be, logical.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86228 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:07 pm to
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Ahh, but I have the right to go into that establishment.


which is bullshite

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But the smoker does not have the right to ruin the use of my establishment.


wow...who said it was your establishment?

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It was the stated reason. It was not, and never will be, logical.


logic says that I should be able to make my own rules on my own property
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59247 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:09 pm to
The patrons that frequent these places love that they have decided to keep them, it’s not some huge loss
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:24 pm to
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wow...who said it was your establishment?


Poor wording.

Should have said... "but the smoker does not have the right to ruin my use of the establishment"

I put "my" and "the" in the wrong spots. My bad.

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logic says that I should be able to make my own rules on my own property


To an extent I agree. Rules =/= laws, though.

Do you think you should be able to serve alcohol to 11 year olds, because it's your property?

Do you think you should be able to sell hereon, because it's your property?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86228 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:32 pm to
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Should have said... "but the smoker does not have the right to ruin my use of the establishment"


If the establishment says "we allow smoking here" and you still choose to go into that establishment, that is on you

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Do you think you should be able to serve alcohol to 11 year olds, because it's your property?


I believe everyone has a line or age in which one is capable of making their own decisions. I'm not going to debate child laws and age of consent.

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Do you think you should be able to sell hereon, because it's your property?


Yes, absolutely.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41086 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:37 pm to
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Do you think you should be able to sell hereon, because it's your property?


quote:

Yes, absolutely.


I appreciate your consistency.
Posted by No Disrespect But
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2014
317 posts
Posted on 3/24/22 at 2:54 pm to

FYI, bans on "secondhand smoke" aren't supported by science, either.

We Used Terrible Science to Justify Smoking Bans
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5445 posts
Posted on 3/24/22 at 2:57 pm to
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Over the years I've worked with a number of restaurant owners / chefs.

Most of them are freaking terrible businesspeople. They are far more concerned about "their craft" or "what people think about them" then they are about making enough money to pay the bills.


This is absolutely correct. Its' why restaurants have such a high failure rate. I can't stand restaurants that are so worried about craft and impression but can't get a good meal out to you in a timely fashion.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38730 posts
Posted on 3/24/22 at 6:03 pm to
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I see they also have a 20% tip included for all parties. Bold strategy


That is necessary imo. Parties tend not to tip well. Parties aren't much of a money maker anyways. They chew up tables for at least twice the time of a normal.cover. I can turn those over another time and make way more money and have less complaints
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 3/24/22 at 6:35 pm to
I took it to mean all customers. Not just big tables
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