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re: I have high liver enzymes and cholesterol

Posted on 3/15/12 at 10:16 pm to
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/15/12 at 10:16 pm to
Lipitor is an amazing drug. Apparently, there are some amazing positive statistics regarding life expectancy (taking into account all diseases) for people taking it. It can affect the liver, but only a small percentage of people have any serious problem with it.
Posted by dandug001
Shreveport
Member since Oct 2011
1578 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 12:56 am to
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slackhouse


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I'm a firm believer that carbs are the devil.



Can't third this enough either. March 18th will be the start of my third month of low carbs. Everything that you said, I am exactly the same. I am down 28. I haven't had anything fried since I started. I started feeling better after a few days eating good. The temptations were pretty bad for awhile, but now I don't even crave the old bad stuff.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 6:55 am to
I would exercise, but I would avoid the juicer. Just eat your fruits and vegetables raw. Also buy some coconut oil. It's freaking awesome.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 7:55 am to
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I sort of did last year, but when I got denied life insurance, that had some eye opening meaning ya know



I know exactly what you mean. I was not denied life insurance, but my rate was jacked up higher because of single physical number ... LDL. Everything else was perfect.

So, I tried to figure out what I could do to lower it. And you know what? I discovered that its a complete bullshite number. I didn't even know what cholesterol was until I did some reading on it. The way people talk, you'd think that its a poison in bacon that seeps into your blood stream and clogs your arteries like grease in a drain pipe.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The fact is, whether people want to admit it or not, is that there is no correlation between animal fat and heart disease, and there is very little contribution to your blood cholesterol from your dietary cholesterol. I could go on and on, but I don't want to start an argument with some of the people in this thread.

Do your own research. You can NOT trust implicitly anything you hear from anyone, including me, including your doctor. You really are going to have to get informed and make a real decision for yourself, because some of the advice you've already been surely given by your doctor, and others in this thread, is completely the opposite of what you should be doing. (IMHO of course.)

Just keep in mind...

Your diet determines your health, not your weight.
There is nothing inherently unhealthy about being overweight. (Think about that for a minute.) Yes, an unhealthy diet can make fat, but so can a healthy one. The two are not really correlated other than coincidentally.

Find out what cholesterol is, what the difference is between serum and dietary cholesterol, what kinds of cholesterol exist, what its purpose is, etc. Find out what insulin does, where it comes from, why it spikes, what kind of health problems result from insulin spiking, blood sugar spiking, etc.

There is so much bullshite being floated out there, by good intentioned people no less, that its enough to drown the truth.

Good Luck.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33618 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 10:21 am to
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coloradoBengal

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on this subject. Have you ever read LINK ]The Doctor's Heart Cure by Al Sears, M.D.? Confirms a lot of what you said. I have a pdf I can email if anyone is interested.
This post was edited on 3/16/12 at 10:23 am
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 12:20 pm to
I would love to read if you don't mind.

Send to coloradobengal@gmail.com

Thanks.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 3/16/12 at 12:25 pm to
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coloradoBengal

email sent
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 12:31 pm to
Got it, thanks.
Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14539 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 12:44 pm to
Disclaimer - I am not a medical doctor.

There are more people than you think who are unable to moderate Triglycerides and cholesterol through diet. They follow a perfect diet and it does no good.

Lippitor is a miricle drug for many people.

Lippitor, sensible exercise, weight loss and a heart healthy diet will work wonders. Yes you may have liver problems with lippitor. A small percentage of users do. Your physician will track liver enzymes when you start on the drug and if you have no immediate abmormalities, you likely never will.


Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 12:53 pm to
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coloradoBengal



I can't tell you how much I love your posts in this thread.

I knight for low carb diets all of the time on TD and everywhere I go, and I explain exactly the same things you do and I am met with the dumbest posts, the weirdest looks, and the most idiotic, uneducated responses. People are blinded and follow what the government tells them is healthy (which the government shouldn't be doing anyway). I was in the doc office today and there was a TV giving "nutritional advice" and it said "eat a low fat diet, high in vegetables, fruits, and whole grains". The whole grains and low fat part made me cringe. Carbohydrate intake has increase a TON in the past century, as have obesity rates and diet-related health problems. It's time to kick that evil shite known as carbohydrates to the curb

And for people saying low carb is unsustainable.. BULL. shite. Paleo is perfectly sustainable. Fruits, veggies, nuts, meat. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to eat carbs for energy.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 1:32 pm to
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There is nothing inherently unhealthy about being overweight.
This is a dangerous statement to make. Do you have to look like a professional model in order to be healthy? No. If you truly meant overweight and not obese then I would sort of agree with you.

You say there is no correlation between animal fat and heart disease. This is incorrect. There is a strong correlation between visceral adipose tissue and cardiovascular disease and diabetes. An easy way to guestimate at your visceral adipose tissue is to measure your waist circumference. The higher your WC, the higher you VAT and the higher your chances of developing heart disease.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 1:44 pm to
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Winkface

This post was edited on 3/16/12 at 1:52 pm
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 1:45 pm to
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If you truly meant overweight and not obese then I would sort of agree with you.


What does being overweight do to your health?
I mean... specifically... what is the metabolic/biological/etc process that translates body fat into a health problem?

Fat is a symptom or a side effect. Not a cause of anything.

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There is a strong correlation between visceral adipose tissue and cardiovascular disease and diabetes.


Perhaps "correlation" was not the proper term.

What causes cardiovascular disease and diabetes? Surely you aren't telling me that its eating animal fat.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
16504 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 1:46 pm to
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Carbohydrate intake has increase a TON in the past century, as have obesity rates and diet-related health problems


and fast food and sodas

carbs arent the end of the world
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10960 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 1:48 pm to
Sorry about that Zilla, best of luck to you. My wife is thin and healthy and has had elevated cholesterol for years, it runs in her family.

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It's time to kick that evil shite known as carbohydrates to the curb


Does this include craft beer, with high level of malt, alchohol, and calories??? Why yes, I believe it does, and it was painful to let go.

Serious question, can one lose a significant amount of body weight and not give up all carbs from grain? I can do without beer, fries, bread, etc but I like steel cut oatmeal with blackberries and blueberries in the AM. Need to drop about 16 more lbs, dropped 12 already in 3-weeks, but that was easy weight. Is 100 grams of daily total carbs reasonable or too high? Got to get upper and lower scope in 5-weeks, gall bladder might be shot according to CT scan/sonogram results and upper ab discomfort.

I had a very adverse reaction to cholesterol medication ~ 3-yrs ago and refused to take a different drug after that due to the Dr's steadfast refusal of blame on the drug when the insert clearly said up to 3% of users experienced the symptoms I was having after taking the drug at low dosage levels for 80-days. Changed Dr and quit the drug and felt normal again after 3-weeks. My neighbor that is 10-years younger than me has been on Lipitor for 4-yrs, eats like shite, and still has elevated cholesterol and goes to that same Dr.
Posted by pooponsaban
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
13494 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 2:00 pm to
"I am the VP of the biggest executive helicopter leasing company on the western seaboard. I haven't had a carb since 2004. Check these out. See these? See these boys? This is what I live with, every day. I lather this up with Kiehls in the shower. You want to touch this shite?"
Posted by pooponsaban
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
13494 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 2:01 pm to
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There are more people than you think who are unable to moderate Triglycerides and cholesterol through diet. They follow a perfect diet and it does no good.


Absolutely correct. It really is a genetic condition.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 2:03 pm to
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what is the metabolic/biological/etc process that translates body fat into a health problem?
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The deleterious effect of abdominal obesity is believed to be due to visceral adipose tissue (VAT), which is strongly correlated with traditional CVD risk factors: total cholesterol, low HDL cholesterol, triglycerides, apolipoprotein B, blood pressure, insulin resistance, and C-reactive protein. 6 – 8 The predominant theory is that these associations are mediated by the release of free fatty acids by VAT into the hepatic circulation, thus stimulating the release of apolipoprotein B– containing lipoproteins, reducing insulin sensitivity, and increasing plasma glucose values. 9,10 Recent research also indicates that a number of cytokines released by adipose tissue may also be involved in the development of atherosclerosi
LINK

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Surely you aren't telling me that its eating animal fat.
My b. I thought you were calling us animals. Therefore, I thought you were referring to our fat.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 2:07 pm to
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Is 100 grams of daily total carbs reasonable or too high?


I think it really depends on how much of your total diet that 100gr accounts for. If you really like your whole oatmeal and berries in the morning, then enjoy it. Just try to add some protein to the same meal to balance it out.

For the most part, I am not following a strict paleo or any other diet system. I am just limiting my calories overall, enjoying what I like to eat...and avoiding bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes in any form for 6 days a week.

I am not a doctor, and I don't pretend to be... but I would get two or three opinions before going onto any kind of prescribed medication plan, and I would most certainly include a nutritionist in that survey.

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I had a very adverse reaction to cholesterol medication ~ 3-yrs ago and refused to take a different drug after that due to the Dr's steadfast refusal of blame on the drug when the insert clearly said up to 3% of users experienced the symptoms I was having after taking the drug at low dosage levels for 80-days. Changed Dr and quit the drug and felt normal again after 3-weeks. My neighbor that is 10-years younger than me has been on Lipitor for 4-yrs, eats like shite, and still has elevated cholesterol and goes to that same Dr.



Drugs... all kinds of them... are incredibly over prescribed in today's medical community. That's known to be true with regards to antibiotics, ADHD, etc. and there is absolutely zero reason to believe that its not also occurring with statins and heart medication and others.

A doctor prescribe my mother a statin drug. My mother. The makers of the drug publicly admit that there are NO proven benefits to women taking statins. NONE. And they can create all sorts of other problems.

I know doctors that I would trust with my life... have trusted with my wife and the birth of my children... would consider them some of my best friends in my lifetime... and they are themselves admitting that they are only now learning the truth about some of these nutritional health issues.

Its entirely believable to me that a doctor I only see once a year or so could be equally wrong in his/her knowledge about general nutrition, and health issues surrounding that. Not because of some conspiracy, or gross incompetence. Simply because of the fact that pharmaceuticals are big big money, and there is an abundance of misinformation generated to promote their use. That affects everyone's knowledge on the subject, including doctors, nurses, medical schools, govt agencies, etc. etc.
This post was edited on 3/16/12 at 2:10 pm
Posted by pooponsaban
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
13494 posts
Posted on 3/16/12 at 2:16 pm to
None of that changes the fact that for many high cholesterol is genetic and that there are drugs that save lives. Sorry your mom has a bad doctor.
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