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re: How did I mess up this gumbo?

Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:28 pm to
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:28 pm to
It looks like you used way too much oil which was made worse by not browning your sausage first. I made a big gumbo recently (8-10 servings; 3 quarts of chicken stock) and used only 1 cup of vegetable oil.

I cooked my sausage first, poured out the excess oil while leaving enough to thinly coat the bottom of my pot, set the cooked sausage aside and then made my roux in the same pot.

The chicken should be boiled along with your stock, picked after a while, and then the remaining carcass thrown back in to stew with your stock a bit more. The meat you set aside after picking should be added to your gumbo at the end so it doesn't overcook and get stringy.
Posted by Fratigerguy
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:03 pm to
Best way I can say you messed it up is that you haven't skimmed the oil off yet and made a bowl. You just had a bunch of roux with a bunch of oil and a bunch of grease from chicken and sausage. Skim it off and eat.

And for the love of God, can we stop making roux so complicated? I've never seen so many different ways of how roux is "supposed" to be added to a gravy or gumbo as I have here. Put it in all at once. Put it in a little at a time. Put it in the trinity. Put the trinity in it. Whisk it. Boil it. Put it in hot. Put it in cold. I think I've done it every way possible, and I've never one time had a roux that didn't incorporate or that "broke". Put it in the pot with some liquid and cook it. It'll be fine.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:22 pm to
Okay man, I guess you're a better chef than Paul Prudhomme was because even his recipe calls for adding the roux to boiling stock one spoonful at a time.
Posted by GregMaddux
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:24 pm to
By complicating it.

Eta. Fratigerguy is right.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:27 pm
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

Okay man, I guess you're a better chef than Paul Prudhomme was because even his recipe calls for adding the roux to boiling stock one spoonful at a time.






Get out of here with this nonsense. I'm just telling you I've never had a roux separate. And I've added it, or added TO it, just about every way imaginable. Why? Because I've never given two shits how it was done. There is no right way or wrong way. It depends on the dish and what I do first, and in what pot. And to really freak you out....whether or not I just went to Walmart and bought a jar of Kary's. Cause after all, it's just browned flour and oil.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:37 am to
Meat and sausage emit grease. You have to remove that before serving. It’s hard to tell if you have more grease/oil that is from the meats.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted by Whatafrekinchessiebr
somewhere down river
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 6:12 am to
quote:

andouille sausage from Iverstine


I made my first gumbo of the year this weekend using Iverstines sausage and Andouille. I noticed the andouille had a lot of fat in it when I was chopping and I ended up skimming 3 cups of oil/fat after it cooked down a while. I only used 1 cup of oil in Roux so I don't think it broke. I have no doubt a lot of it was from the sausage and andouille.

After skimming and reducing some more the gumbo came out great and I will definitely use their sausage and andouille again, just be prepared to do a little extra skimming.

ETA: I posted as soon as I read the OP mention Iverstines, and didn't read everyone's responses. While I was skimming I mentioned to my wife the FDB debate over the causes of oily gumbo. You know it's gumbo weather when this thread comes around!
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 6:42 am
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:39 am to
You're saying that everyone is making it so unneccesarily complicated. We're just saying one way to do it. One that is in the most popular recipe this board gives for first time gumbo makers.

I've done it every which way too, and the one time i had a roux separate was when I used a carton of stock out of the fridge, so I don't use that anymore just to avoid the possibility.
Posted by Jibbajabba
Louisiana
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:48 am to
Kinda off topic but I started using this thing to separate my oils in my soups and gravys.



I love it. I wish I would have bought one about 10 years ago.
Posted by maxxrajun70
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 8:09 am to
Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 8:12 am to
I had a gumbo come out like that last winter when I used Iverstine's andouille. I assumed I didn't drain it well enough after browning, so I'll pay special attention to that next time. But their andouille is so good.
Posted by CarRamrod
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 9:17 am to
Is roux separation really an issue?

I have added cold stock from the fridge, hot stock from the micro wave, or just tap water and made the stock with bones while cooking and i have never had a roux "separate"
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:21 am to
quote:

Is roux separation really an issue?

I have added cold stock from the fridge, hot stock from the micro wave, or just tap water and made the stock with bones while cooking and i have never had a roux "separate"



Me either. By the time the seasoning is cooked down you are good to go.

That said I don't always use oil. Sometimes I use an oven roux, put it into the pot, add just enough stock to give it the consistence of an oil based roux, mix that to my liking and add the seasoning.
Posted by REB BEER
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:23 am to
quote:

it is a little oily on the mouthfeel


I imagine so

You gonna have the shits after ingesting that much oil.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:23 am to
quote:

I think I've done it every way possible, and I've never one time had a roux that didn't incorporate or that "broke". Put it in the pot with some liquid and cook it. It'll be fine


This was my thinking until I made a seafood gumbo and the roux separated. Seafood gumbos cost a lot of time and $$ and I was pissed about how it turned out. I had little specs of roux throughout the gumbo and it looked gross. It turns out I added very hot roux to a rapidly boiling stock. This board helped me identify the issue. Since then, I've always cool the roux by adding trinity and removing from heat, then add to stock. I've never had an issue since.

I'm not sure what happened with the OP. I wouldn't add a whole cup of flour to the oil when starting a roux, but that probably didn't cause the problem here, because that may cause the roux to burn some. Maybe he added a ton of incredibly greasy sausage and that oil on top is a product of oil from the sausage and oil from other things in the gumbo? It still seems like a bit much because I see over an inch of oil...
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:27 am to
quote:

albiet just a tad too dark.

Does not compute
Posted by Kyrie Eleison
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:22 pm to
gotdamn you made mess!
Posted by LSUZombie
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:28 pm to
I've made plenty of quick gumbos in my house and have never had a problem with oil separation.

I usually do 1/2 cup oil to flour, and I make sure to get my oil hot before adding my flour to it. I cook this in a separate non-stick pan, while my stock is simmering in my stock pot to the side.

Once I get the color I want in my roux, I add the veggies to the roux and cook them for about 10 minutes. Once they are cooked down, I slowly add the roux/veggie mixture to the stock and whisk until blended.

From there, I add chicken, sausage, spices, etc and let simmer to come together.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:47 pm to
I mean, I guess it happens because you guys say it does. But I've added smoking hot roux to a pot that was boiling many times. But regardless of that...maybe I'm finding the issue here. Whether I'm making a gumbo or gravy, most times my roux and stock has been cooking along with my vegetables for hours before I put my meat or seafood in...unless it is a meat that also needs to cook for hours. Sounds like you put your seafood in before your roux...maybe I've just never noticed separation because it cooks for hours normally and eventually reincorporates?
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
10513 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 6:11 pm to
quote:

But, the oil separation is strange


Thats not a separated roux. Thats using waay too much oil to make a roux. 1 part flour/ 1 part oil. you have about 3 parts oil to 1 part flour in there. Probably more.

Make your roux in the gumbo pot and brown your chicken in a skillet.
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