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re: Beer Distribution Laws in LA
Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:22 am to Boudreaux35
Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:22 am to Boudreaux35
Yeah, They have an interest. But don't have the capacity. New Belgium has been considering it as well. I was just trying to say that it's not just as simple as telling a brewer that you want to distribute their beer in a state or territory.
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:30 am to Degas
Nobody is worse than MS.. Its not even close.
Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:46 am to Dac311
What they told me when I spoke with them was that they expected to be in La soon. As soon as the details were worked out. I took that to mean the paperwork type stuff. They did not indicate to me that they had a problem with capacity/production in relation to getting to La.
Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:48 am to Degas
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Off the top of my head, only beer sales in Pennsylvania and Utah are less desirable.
This statement shocks me because I hapen to know that Pa gets a ton of really great beer.
I will agree that the sales laws are crazy. For the most part, store sales are restricted to case sales only. In order to sell less than a case, the establishment has to be classified as a restaurant.
Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:21 am to DCSportsBeerMan
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The three teir system is used by all brands. This prevents the everyday person from being able to walk to the brewery and buy a case of beer.
Which is bullshite. If a brewery wants to sell directly to me, they should be able to.
Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:27 am to Catman88
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Nobody is worse than MS.. Its not even close.
Especially Oxford, really my only negative. Can't buy beer on sunday, no cold beer, and very limited selection.
Posted on 4/2/12 at 11:20 am to Boudreaux35
I was talking with a guy from Mockler one day, and he said something to the effect that the license fees that a brewer has to pay to get into Louisiana is roughly 4x that of most other states. So that if a brewery is trying to choose where they'll expand their distribution, that ends up being a roadblock to us getting new beers, or at least delaying them when they could get into another state for a lot less. No idea if this is true or not, but it would make sense.
Posted on 4/2/12 at 12:00 pm to BMoney
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I was talking with a guy from Mockler one day, and he said something to the effect that the license fees that a brewer has to pay to get into Louisiana is roughly 4x that of most other states. So that if a brewery is trying to choose where they'll expand their distribution, that ends up being a roadblock to us getting new beers, or at least delaying them when they could get into another state for a lot less. No idea if this is true or not, but it would make sense.
I have been on several brewery tours in the NE. As you know, very few of the better beers from that way get into La. I've asked at every tour, why and I get the same basic answer which is pretty much what you said above. The initial investment to get distribution in La is too high and in all reality, the consumption (mainly due to population) of craft beer isn't THAT high when compared to other states.
The number of good beer won't increase much as long as those regulations and fees are in place. But what sucks is that the in state guys don't have to deal with it getting their beers out, so they benefit on both ends.
Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:01 pm to Boudreaux35
With a new ATC Commissioner who isnt a complete wackjob and fetish freak of the 21st Amendment, I see LA's beer distribution laws eventually evolving to a more sensible place.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:53 am to Boudreaux35
Spec's Mothership trips for myself, have only slightly reduced somewhat in recent years, as Matherne's, Whole Food, Marcello's have gradually added brands formerly not to be found in La. Still get my yearly lionshare from afar..
Hopefully, La will join the modern age in full force soon, instead of baby-steps and BS lip-service, with yet another decade, and another, sliding past.
Hopefully, La will join the modern age in full force soon, instead of baby-steps and BS lip-service, with yet another decade, and another, sliding past.
This post was edited on 4/3/12 at 2:24 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 9:31 pm to Dac311
I'm interested in distribution, sales, and microbrewing in LA so wanted to see if this thread can gain some new life. I'm wondering who does most of the selling in the three tier system. It seems the distributor has the control of sales but a microbrewer will need to promote his product to get customers to request the brew from the distributor. How does it work? Can the brewery 'promoter' provide samples to a bar or restaurant? Can these be sold? Or must all of this go through the distributor?
I'm also wondering if it's just beer that is under this system. I know I can go to a winery and buy a case of their wine. Why can't I do the same at a brewery?
Trying to understand the system.
I'm also wondering if it's just beer that is under this system. I know I can go to a winery and buy a case of their wine. Why can't I do the same at a brewery?
Trying to understand the system.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 6:42 pm to nolanative2
Beer and liquor do have separate laws in LA. They are both handled by the 3 tier system though. The brewery can't give beer directly to anyone. If they want to provide samples, they do so through a distributor. Wine and liquor makers can sell some small quantities to people, but there are some restrictions on the sale amounts. I'm not exactly sure to the specifics, other than beer breweries can't do this.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:56 pm to Dac311
Then what's the point of a brewery having a salesman? It seems rather convoluted to go to a retailer and ask them to call someone else to order the beer. And since microbreweries are relatively insignificant to distributors it's difficult to believe the distributor would put such a request on high priority. Does a microbrewery salesman really have much effect?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:11 pm to nolanative2
Three tier system is unbelievably antiquated and probably borderline unconstitutional. That's all I got.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:18 pm to nolanative2
Why do microbrews go with only one of the big three? Am I wrong to believe that there are more than three companies to be delivering in the BR area?
For instance could the new brewery, Tchefuncte, go for a small distributor and decide just to go to a few select bars and a few select retailers?
What is the downside? Less shelf space? At places like Cuban, or other small specialty spots, this doesn't seem like an issue. A new release would dominate their store and bring people in.
For instance could the new brewery, Tchefuncte, go for a small distributor and decide just to go to a few select bars and a few select retailers?
What is the downside? Less shelf space? At places like Cuban, or other small specialty spots, this doesn't seem like an issue. A new release would dominate their store and bring people in.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:25 am to fightin tigers
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Why do microbrews go with only one of the big three? Am I wrong to believe that there are more than three companies to be delivering in the BR area? For instance could the new brewery, Tchefuncte, go for a small distributor and decide just to go to a few select bars and a few select retailers? What is the downside? Less shelf space? At places like Cuban, or other small specialty spots, this doesn't seem like an issue. A new release would dominate their store and bring people in.
Beer Distributors for BR:
-Glazers (still has a handful of products)
-Crescent Crown
-Mockler Beverage
-Baton Rouge Beer
-Uncorked Wines
-Purveyor of Fine Wines
-International Wines & Spirits
-Lirette Selections
To answer your question, it is possible to go with a "small guy" and be represented adequately. However if you do that, you're dependent on the stores/bars that carry your product to sell it and market it for you primarily. If you choose a "Big 3" distributor, e.g. crescent, mockler, br. beer, then you have a lot more manpower to represent your product.
At my place of business, we do a lot of the legwork ourselves and don't rely on a distributor for much extra at all. Other stores/bars do not. Other places want the wholeseller to do all of the cooler stocking/date checking/keg cleaning/rotating, etc. with minimal labor expended by themselves....which is BS, btw.
You lose a small army of helping hands if you choose a small distributor but may get lost in a large portfolio if you go with a big one.... catch 22.
-Maven Supplier
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 1:26 am
Posted on 6/12/13 at 6:38 am to Slima
How's it work when Ave Pub gets these crazy 1 off beers from other countries ? I know one weekend last summer they had all of these crazy Swiss beers that they got in a trade with a pub from overseas.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 6:48 am to DCSportsBeerMan
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The three teir system is used by all brands. This prevents the everyday person from being able to walk to the brewery and buy a case of beer.
What is the purpose of this restriction? I guess I don't see why being able to do that would be a bad thing.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 7:05 am to Hat Tricks
Distributors lobby hard to keep it this way.
They claim its for our safety.
They claim its for our safety.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 7:17 am to Creamer
Go to any legislative session party. Distributors provides all the beer and booze for free. The Legislature takes care of them with regulations that help them maintain dominance in the business.
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