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re: Are neighborhood watch’s now neutered?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:53 pm to flyAU
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:53 pm to flyAU
Citizens’ arrest is not neutered either. Under the citizens’ arrest statute in March 2020, the defendants were still in the wrong.
Does anyone think repealing the statute was too knee jerk a reaction for Georgia?
The justice system proved today that you can’t abuse the privilege of CA and get away with it.
I think CA still has a place. Abusers of the privilege just need to prosecuted.
Does anyone think repealing the statute was too knee jerk a reaction for Georgia?
The justice system proved today that you can’t abuse the privilege of CA and get away with it.
I think CA still has a place. Abusers of the privilege just need to prosecuted.
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Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:50 am to LuckyTiger
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You can only use deadly force in defense of life, not property.
Like when a criminal tries to take your weapon from you?
The simple fact that many people can't seem to grasp is that the fake jogger would not have been shot if he didn't try to take a weapon away from someone. If he was dumb enough to do that, then he would have surely attacked them if they were unarmed. They did not just chase a guy down and shoot him as many of you say. You people are as bad as the media.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 12:05 pm to flyAU
People need to understand that all this vigilante action is in response to increase in crime. While I do not, in any way, condone the shooting of anyone, I can certainly understand the frustration by property owners. Crime is exploding.
IMO this unfortunate shooting in Georgia will only lead to more crime, and more troubling.....an increase in the Police State. Already I hear reports our pal Joe Biden is proposing federalizing your police force.
IMO this unfortunate shooting in Georgia will only lead to more crime, and more troubling.....an increase in the Police State. Already I hear reports our pal Joe Biden is proposing federalizing your police force.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 12:12 pm to flyAU
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:14 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Like when a criminal tries to take your weapon from you?
The simple fact that many people can't seem to grasp is that the fake jogger would not have been shot if he didn't try to take a weapon away from someone. If he was dumb enough to do that, then he would have surely attacked them if they were unarmed. They did not just chase a guy down and shoot him as many of you say. You people are as bad as the media.
Take a deep breath. From the initial snippets I was kind of where you're at right now. I watched the longer video (not just the very end) and I was trying to sort out what happened. When I put 2 and 2 together and realized that not only had they been chasing him, they boxed him in. That's what turned it for me.
The trail vehicle (guy is also convicted) that was shooting the video was with them. They boxed him in and bumped him. On a public street in broad daylight. They had weapons. They didn't give him any choice.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:19 pm to flyAU
I mean, it is called neighborhood watch, not neighborhood action.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:28 pm to flyAU
Neighborhood watches don’t mean shoot the perp, and yeah they are a thing of the past and honestly was just old people with nothing to do peeping out their windows. Facebook took over this and now they just post on the local FB groups about everything going on.
The idea of citizens arrest is honestly outdated and I don’t really see it being a thing anymore, certainly not with the right to inflict violence upon someone.
The idea of citizens arrest is honestly outdated and I don’t really see it being a thing anymore, certainly not with the right to inflict violence upon someone.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:43 pm to flyAU
We've had a neighborhood watch in my area for years.
It's just driving around seeing if anything suspicious is going on, mostly around the schools (kids trying to grafitti). Nothing ever really happens. If something does, you stay there and watch and call the cops. Weapons are not allowed to be carried and you are told not to engage unless it is to provide first aid (if you are trained in first aid).
You are there to "spy" not to "do" and maybe provide crowd control help if there is a big fire or something (there never has been one since the watch was founded 30 years ago).
Most of the guys are retired cops looking to get out of the house and away from their old lady for a few hours twice a week.
It's just driving around seeing if anything suspicious is going on, mostly around the schools (kids trying to grafitti). Nothing ever really happens. If something does, you stay there and watch and call the cops. Weapons are not allowed to be carried and you are told not to engage unless it is to provide first aid (if you are trained in first aid).
You are there to "spy" not to "do" and maybe provide crowd control help if there is a big fire or something (there never has been one since the watch was founded 30 years ago).
Most of the guys are retired cops looking to get out of the house and away from their old lady for a few hours twice a week.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:47 pm to Ace Midnight
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Take a deep breath. From the initial snippets I was kind of where you're at right now. I watched the longer video (not just the very end) and I was trying to sort out what happened. When I put 2 and 2 together and realized that not only had they been chasing him, they boxed him in. That's what turned it for me. The trail vehicle (guy is also convicted) that was shooting the video was with them. They boxed him in and bumped him. On a public street in broad daylight. They had weapons. They didn't give him any choice.
this was posted by a poster in a different thread. good points about what it's like from the other guys point of view.
Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
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That's another factor. White guys in pickup trucks have been vilified to hell and back. While those guys may have thought they were righteous, that young man probably thought it was the end of the world.
If I saw 2 brightly colored low riders chasing my arse, they stopped me and 3 armed black guys got out of the cars. They may come with righteous reasons, but my first thought would be "oh frick, gangbangers. I'm dead."
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:58 pm to Tiger Prawn
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I always thought neighborhood watches were just old people looking out their windows for suspicious behavior to call the cops on
Well you thought wrong. About 30-35 years ago in our neighborhood, semi-rural, there were mostly 25-35 year old parents with children in each house. We got together and agreed to keep a watch out for each other. We even notified the law of such and someone came out and put one of those neighborhood watch signs on a metal post between my house and the neighbor's. Two months later someone had stolen it.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 4:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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They boxed him in and bumped him. On a public street in broad daylight. They had weapons. They didn't give him any choice.
Yep. Arbery = Rittenhouse. Him trying to take the gun from Travis was completely justified as self-defense...for Arbery. They had no cause for detaining him, they initiated the aggressive act, and they wielded lethal weapons at him. If you think Rittenhouse had the right to kill Rosenbaum when he was cornered, you have to believe that Arbery has the right to disarm Travis when he was cornered.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:07 pm to LuckyTiger
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You can only use deadly force in defense of life, not property.
I believe you can protect your property in Texas. I recall there being cases where people even shot someone they saw breaking into their neighbhor's house while the neighbor was out of town.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:33 pm to flyAU
I think you can still make a citizens arrest if you see them climbing out of your neighbor's window with a TV.
It's okay as long as they're white and not a pedophile. All others are a protected species.
It's okay as long as they're white and not a pedophile. All others are a protected species.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:38 pm to flyAU
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Are neighborhood watch’s now neutered?
I've wondered the same thing, especially with the murder ruling for the guy who rolled up late and was filming. He couldn't have done anything to stop what happened because he clearly arrived after the altercation started. I really don't know how that guy could be guilty of murder. Makes no sense.
If I roll up on an altercation like this in my neighborhood with a camera rolling and someone dies, am I going to get hit with a murder charge too?
ETA: I realize he knew they were going to confront the guy, but that really doesn't change this for me. It seems to me they'd need to prove the intent all along was to kill him in order to get the cameraman for murder. I've not seen anyone make such a claim.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 11/26/21 at 1:42 am to Rebel
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Neighborhood watch people are armed with a flashlight and cell phone, maybe a whistle.
Zimmerman carried a gun. He was doing neighborhood watch when Trayvon attacked him.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 3:56 am to flyAU
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Are neighborhood watch’s now neutered?
No. That case has no bearing on future cases with different facts. Or even different cases with identical facts.
Gunning people down like a bunch of idiot hicks will always get you sent to jail though.
This post was edited on 11/26/21 at 3:57 am
Posted on 11/26/21 at 3:58 am to imjustafatkid
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I really don't know how that guy could be guilty of murder
It was felony murder not exactly the same as being convicted of intentional murder or malice murder, etc.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 4:25 am to Zarkinletch416
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I can certainly understand the frustration by property owners. Crime is exploding.
Except in this case, the morons acted on mere suspicion that Arbery committed a crime against someone else’s property.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 4:40 am to flyAU
Neighborhood watch is for one thing...observe, document, and report.
When the guy comes back 5 more times, you'll have 6 documents of reporting that the cops will also ignore.
We are living in a society that does not want the suspicious person confronted by anyone.
Arbery would still be alive if there would have been a Nordstrom nearby.
When the guy comes back 5 more times, you'll have 6 documents of reporting that the cops will also ignore.
We are living in a society that does not want the suspicious person confronted by anyone.
Arbery would still be alive if there would have been a Nordstrom nearby.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 5:06 am to flyAU
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Are neighborhood watch’s now neutered?
Well, seeing as neighborhood watches never did have the authority to hunt a guy down, hem him up and then murder him in the street, I would say no.
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