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re: Response from my Human Resources Department
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:16 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:16 pm to Wolfhound45
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One of the criteria for determining a religious accommodation is if an individual's behaviors are consistent with their beliefs.
This is just fricking absurd and in my opinion unconstitutional. Freedom of religion. Does it say anywhere in the constitution you have to be a good catholic to have your rights as a catholic?
frick these people
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:18 pm to redneck hippie
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just tell the truth in all situations
You vote Democrat.
Your post is:
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:20 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:If that was the case then Sleepy Joe and Nancy would not be permitted to exercise their faith.
Does it say anywhere in the constitution you have to be a good catholic to have your rights as a catholic?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:20 pm to Wolfhound45
Just glanced at the list. Most are older drugs. That tells me that fetal tissues were not used in the development of the medication in question. If they were tested after marketing, what difference does it make? The tissues were not used in the development or production of the medication.
I admit bias, but their argument appears weak.
I admit bias, but their argument appears weak.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:20 pm to Wolfhound45
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This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:22 pm to Wolfhound45
Tell them you would absolutely file a similar request for those drugs based should they be mandated by government.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:22 pm to Wolfhound45
Say I prayed on it, ans indeed I do refrain from that.
And oh I just converted to Islam. Ooh I just converted back. Now you see me now you don’t.
And oh I just converted to Islam. Ooh I just converted back. Now you see me now you don’t.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:27 pm to CaptainPanic
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They only have to accommodate if a belief is sincerely held.
So what is the mechanism for determining this?
sodium pentothal?
What if I am against using that? What’s next?
Water boarding?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:30 pm to swolverine
Most of the drugs listed were not developed by using cell lines. We did not have that biotechnology at the time most of those older drugs were developed. The blog links to studies on topics unrelated to drug development, far after these drugs were introduced, on specific conditions the drug is used to treat.
Thyroid supplement (levothyroxine) is the first one listed, and these are the citations the blogger is using to claim a link between thyroid supplement and cell lines:
DUOX2 Mutations Are Associated With Congenital Hypothyroidism With Ectopic Thyroid Gland (2017)
Homozygous loss-of-function mutations in SLC26A7 cause goitrous congenital hypothyroidism (2018)
It's a red herring, and insulting that your POS HR department sent you that, presumably as some sort of "gotcha" attempt. It should be countered with an equally condescending email.
Thyroid supplement (levothyroxine) is the first one listed, and these are the citations the blogger is using to claim a link between thyroid supplement and cell lines:
DUOX2 Mutations Are Associated With Congenital Hypothyroidism With Ectopic Thyroid Gland (2017)
Homozygous loss-of-function mutations in SLC26A7 cause goitrous congenital hypothyroidism (2018)
It's a red herring, and insulting that your POS HR department sent you that, presumably as some sort of "gotcha" attempt. It should be countered with an equally condescending email.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:34 pm to Wolfhound45
Tell them bullshite.
I made this in high school chemistry class...I don't remember grinding any baby parts into it.
quote:
Aspirin / Acetylsalicylic Acid (ASA) (1, 2)
I made this in high school chemistry class...I don't remember grinding any baby parts into it.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:35 pm to Wolfhound45
Tell them to your knowledge you haven’t taken any medication tested on fetuses, and if you did unknowingly that doesn’t change your religious belief.
You might also point out that their source is a random blog post.
You might also point out that their source is a random blog post.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:37 pm to SaintsTiger
Also if you’re in Louisiana I know an attorney handling these. He charges a flat fee with no guarantees but has gotten good results so far.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:39 pm to CaptainPanic
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Especially in this situation.
bullshite. The law doesn't change because of the situation.
This dumbass mindset is why employers are pulling the shite they are.
1) Your religious belief doesn't have to be based on the teachings of any organized religion.
2) They can be recent and not life-long beliefs, which was previously established by the courts. A woman sued her employee for denying a personal day requested for religious reasons to observe a holy day. The company had denied it on the grounds that she had never requested it before. She argued that her stance had changed since the passing of her father, and won.
3) The fact that other medicines can be tied to fetal cell lines does not automatically nullify that objection. If someone did not know this to be the case before COVID, that person could easily argue that knowing this now, they will no longer use those medicines.
4) The employer does not get to decide what is an isn't a religious belief, but only if it is sincerely held (burden is on employer to prove it is not).
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:41 pm to Wolfhound45
I would tell them thanks for making you aware of some of the other common products that use the HEK-293 cell line and that you currently abstain from some that you were aware of and will abstain in the future from the ones that you were not aware of. Tell them that this info was very valuable.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:41 pm to IslandBuckeye
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Just glanced at the list. Most are older drugs
Correct
Article from Children of God for Life
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HEK-293 was first available to researchers in 1977, long after these products were developed. Their development could not have depended on the use of HEK-293.
1. Hydroxychloroquine was first approved for medical use in the U.S. in 1955.
2. Ivermectin‘s discovery and development used broad animal trials. Ref: Pesticide Synthesis Through Rational Approaches (acs.org)
3. Albuterol (Ventolin) was discovered in 1966, marketed in the UK as Ventolin in 1969. ref: Landau R (1999). Pharmaceutical innovation: revolutionizing human health. Philadelphia: Chemical Heritage Press. p. 226.
4. Aspirin was first discovered in 1853. A U.S. patent was awarded to Bayer in 1900. Ref: Aspirin – Wikipedia
5. Lidocaine was discovered in 1946 and brought to market in 1948. Ref: Scriabine, Alexander (1999). “Discovery and development of major drugs currently in use”. In Ralph Landau; Basil Achilladelis; Alexander Scriabine (eds.). Pharmaceutical Innovation: Revolutionizing Human Health. Philadelphia: Chemical Heritage Press. p. 211.
6. Metformin was discovered in 1922 and first marketed in France in 1957. Ref: Fischer J (2010). Analogue-based Drug Discovery II. John Wiley & Sons. p. 49.
7. Metoprolol was first developed in 1969 and patented in 1970. Ref: Fischer, Jnos; Ganellin, C. Robin (2006). Analogue-based Drug Discovery. John Wiley & Sons. p. 461
8. Tums is nothing more than calcium carbonate and sugar. It was developed in 1928 by James Harvey Howe, in the basement of his house and first produced for sale in 1930 by the Lewis Howe Company. Ref: Tums – Wikipedia.
9. Acetaminophen (paracetamol) has some disagreement as to the date of discovery, but the general consensus is 1877. Ref: Morse, H.N. (1878). “Ueber eine neue Darstellungsmethode der Acetylamidophenole” [On a new method of preparing acetylamidophenol]. Berichte der deutschen chemischen Gesellschaft (in German). 11 (1): 232–233.
10. Ibuprofen was discovered in 1961 and first marketed in the UK in 1969. Ref: Halford GM, Lordkipanidzé M, Watson SP (2012). “50th anniversary of the discovery of ibuprofen: an interview with Dr Stewart Adams – PubMed (nih.gov)“. Platelets. 23 (6): 415–422.
11. Dextromethorphan was patented in 1949 and approved for medical use in 1953. Ref: Fischer, Jnos; Ganellin, C. Robin (2006). Analogue-based Drug Discovery. John Wiley & Sons. p. 527.
12. Pepto Bismol was first sold in 1900 as Bismosal. Renamed Pepto-Bismol in 1919. Ref: Bismuth subsalicylate – Wikipedia
13. Maalox was first produced commercially in 1949. Ref: Maalox – Wikipedia
14. Pseudoephedrine was discovered 1889, most OTCs with pseudoephedrine content pre-date 1977 substantially. Ref: Ladenburg, A.; Oelschlägel, C. (1889). “Ueber das “Pseudo-Ephedrin” [On pseudo-ephedrine]. Berichte der Deutschen Chemischen Gesellschaft (in German).
While any use of the remains of aborted children ought to be rejected by anyone who values the dignity of human life, these medicines do not exist ‘but for the use of’ those children’s bodies. These medicines were developed independently of such use. Later on, other researchers may have conducted tests on the already existing medicines using HEK-293 or some other aborted fetal cell line, but there is a distinction between medicines that would not be here but for the use of aborted children and those that were later tested. Ultimately, it is that practice that must be ended — indeed the entire practice of abortion — and that is the reason why we focus on the root cause at Children of God for Life.
Fr. Schneider’s article has been lifted off the internet by organizations seeking to impose vaccine mandates on employees and students. We hear from you daily by the hundreds, many of you panicking and confused. We can help, but it is up to each of you to take the stand in front of you. We hope this information helps challenge those leaders who did not do the research for themselves.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:43 pm to Wolfhound45
I’m really impressed w the links you guys go to on this stuff. I walked off a job years ago when they started pushing “right to work” BS on me. I told them obviously I’m not wanted here and would gladly take my skill set somewhere else. No regrets at all
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:44 pm to CaptainPanic
I was vaccinated as a child when I had no say in the matter. I have never been vaccinated after turning 18.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:46 pm to Wolfhound45
HR is in no position to determine what makes you a hypocrite to your own religion. Their response is way off base judging by the article posted.
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