re: Pedro Pascal Calls Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer

Oh look Jay Are in with another stupid fricking take.

You don't think there's a double standard because you think there's absolutely nothing wrong with what Pascal said, and think there is everything wrong with what Carano said.

You're a fricking hypocrite. Just like Pascal and his ilk.

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Pascal calling Rittenhouse a murderer is exactly the same as the majority of the country calling OJ a murderer for the past 25 years.

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I'm not going to get into the politics of this with you, but from a legal standpoint:

Rittenhouse never said he didn't shoot those people; he made a claim that it was in self-defense, and that is what was determined by a jury.

Simpson claimed he never killed Nicole or Goldman.

Let's not dig into THAT, because that's probably more in the realm of the PoliBoard territory than here. Let's keep this thread limited to the accountability of actors and their public profiles, okay?

If what you say is true regarding Carano, then yes - others should be treated the same and the "X strikes then you're out". It, so far though, does not seem the same - Carano's situation felt more reactionary to people simply disagreeing with her as opposed to a blanket "don't talk politics" policy - which I think actors and PR people should be held to. When you're the face of your organization, you have to accept that posting opinions that are personal can be interpreted as the opinion of the organization.

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But it is the right call, but anyone in this thread talking down to someone because they make this kind of moral choice, or specifically say that an actor's beliefs "don't matter," are a part of the whole problem. While there was a time in this world where that was probably true. It isn't anymore, especially with elites, money and power.

Now if you agree with Pascal, well that's a different argument. But if you disagree with Pascal and his opinions, but think his opinions "don't matter," well there's a rude awakening coming for you at some point. He will fund, empower, create and market things that are antithetical to your beliefs, and he will do it aggressively (this kind of opinion is already a sign of his rash mindset). He will help people who hate you, and he will use his money and power to do it.

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This right here.

If you agree with Pascal and people like him, then carry on I guess. If you enjoy his work and you also agree with his social and political takes, all the better.

If you disagree with his social and political takes but enjoy his work, you've got a decision to make. You can pretend that you're not at least partially handing money directly to a person that hates you and the things you believe, or you can acknowledge that and do something about it. In this case, it would be deciding to no longer watch those things he's in so as to no longer place your hard earned money into the hands of someone who hates you.

This is not some hardship. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment. Keep in mind, I used to feel differently about this and used to feel high minded by suggesting I could separate an entertainer's views from their work...as if this made me better than those that didn't. I was wrong, and my previous take was really pretty pathetic to be honest. If you would not personally hand a person cash who is standing in front of you telling you to your face they hate you, why do it through programs and third party companies? Plausible deniability?

And FWIW, this is harder to do when you views are on the right. A huge percentage of industries are now run by or openly support the left. It's basically impossible to avoid them all...but suggesting that since you can't avoid them all then there's no point in trying makes no sense. Start with 51%. Make a concerted effort to spend less than half your money with business that frickING HATE you. You don't have to find ones that support your beliefs...just ones that are not openly mocking or opposing them. Expand from there as your support of alternative businesses enable more to sprout up.

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I believe everyone in the Disney wheelhouse is treated fair, but they ain’t all treated the same, as is life.

A nobody in a sea of nobodies in the Star Wars lore is going to be treated the same as a person who portrays one of the main avengers.

It would be silly to think that they would be treated the same, and this sort of shite doesn’t just exist in the world of Disney.

The star running back can show up late and sleep through a team meeting, the kicker better be paying fricking attention the whole time.

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While I disagree with this in principle, I recognize that it's unfortunately usually true.

That said, Pascal has taken off his helmet on the show exactly twice that I recall...and that was only done because the actor was bitching about no one seeing his face, despite the lore being no one was supposed to. My point here is there's nothing special about him or his portrayal of an entirely masked character. You could replace him and virtually no one would know. With Carano, you have to write off her character, as it would be obvious if you replaced her. In this sense, she would be the more valuable asset...and yet, they tossed her aside.

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If you agree with Pascal and people like him, then carry on I guess. If you enjoy his work and you also agree with his social and political takes, all the better.

If you disagree with his social and political takes but enjoy his work, you've got a decision to make. You can pretend that you're not at least partially handing money directly to a person that hates you and the things you believe, or you can acknowledge that and do something about it. In this case, it would be deciding to no longer watch those things he's in so as to no longer place your hard earned money into the hands of someone who hates you.

This is not some hardship. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment. Keep in mind, I used to feel differently about this and used to feel high minded by suggesting I could separate an entertainer's views from their work...as if this made me better than those that didn't. I was wrong, and my previous take was really pretty pathetic to be honest. If you would not personally hand a person cash who is standing in front of you telling you to your face they hate you, why do it through programs and third party companies? Plausible deniability?

And FWIW, this is harder to do when you views are on the right. A huge percentage of industries are now run by or openly support the left. It's basically impossible to avoid them all...but suggesting that since you can't avoid them all then there's no point in trying makes no sense. Start with 51%. Make a concerted effort to spend less than half your money with business that frickING HATE you. You don't have to find ones that support your beliefs...just ones that are not openly mocking or opposing them. Expand from there as your support of alternative businesses enable more to sprout up.

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Right back at you. This. 100%.



I don't WANT to be divisive, but that's kind of the point of letting bygones be bygones - which the idea of still supporting someone who hates you because they make something you like comes from. We should all be like that - that's the RIGHT thing to do.

The issue is that many people on that side of the argument don't care. They don't want to let bygones be bygones. They want to change your mind. They want to indoctrinate your children. And they want you to have no choice in what you believe - and will use a variety of means to get there. THEY aren't interested in just living together despite our differences. They need progress and change, constantly, and the things they progress and change about are always framed as "evil," or "villains," or, in this this case, "murderers," even though that isn't the truth at all.

It's even worse when they control the very simulation of reality itself via media. And to me, that's the bigger issue. Pascal's lone voice continuing the idea that Rittenhouse is a "murderer," is not a big deal and it wouldn't be a big deal if the vast majority and the corporations let bygones be bygones. But again that's not the case.

They are invested in continuing a false narrative and they have very loud voices to do it. We may not care about this one case.... but when it's more pervasive? When it involves more innocent ideas?

We should be worried.

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You're taking a huge leap to assume that Pascal hates me or you.

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Bruh.....

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He compared Trump voters to Nazis and Confederates. I mean come on.

(And no it isn't about You or GTM in particular, I don't know or care how either of you voted, but there's a large portion of this country that are trying to go about their every day lives that Pascal does specifically hate.)

And it isn't even specifically about THIS. It's that certain kinds of people, particularly those in power and particularly "progressives" because progress requires this sort of aggressive campaigning, do actively "hate" things and seek to shut them down.

When hate itself, and what they hate, can be so quickly manipulated you run into huge problems.

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I’m willing to bet the farm if that situation ever came up, fans would start the letter writing campaign and crying about it to have him back. The titular character that is tied to a revered race that is partnered to the merchandise juggernaut that is Growgu.

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I'm not suggesting replacing the character...I'm suggesting replacing the actor.

You could replace Pascal with literally anyone since he's virtually never taken his helmet off. You could not replace Carano, because there are not many like her.

Truth is, I always liked the guy as an actor and had no clue it was him under the mask until he took it off the first time. If Disney really did care about the social media of their employees, they'd replace his arse with a quickness. But they agree with him, so it's perfectly fine.

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What do you expect go to a town in chaos and walk around with an assault rifle? Certainly not good things.

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All in all, I would say good things actually happened.