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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:12 pm to Hot Carl
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I thought someone said he could opt out. I’m certainly happy to have him back, especially if there’s the DH.
There is a $7M mutual option. I would expect he would opt out of that on his end and collect the $3M buyout. However he is still under team control even if the team or player opts out of the $7M guarantee, meaning his salary would be determined by arbitration (estimated $9M). So he could technically get $12M or so in total.
Very complicated situation that seems ripe for a two year extension that gives him another year guarantee and takes away all the hoops that would have to be jumped through to determine his 2022 salary if the Braves want him back.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:14 pm to volfan30
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I would expect he would opt out of that on his end and collect the $3M buyout.
You'd think that if the player opted out, he wouldn't get the buyout. Should only go into effect if the team opted out. But I know that's not how the contracts work.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:28 pm to Broski
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Whatever happens, I'm not saying a damn word about AA.
Without AA, we aren't champs.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:40 pm to Arkapigdiesel
I know we hate Jeff Passan, but he wrote an awesome story today encapsulating everything from the trade deadline to last night.
LINK
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"We did it," Acuña told him. "We did it."
"Doing it with you next year," Freeman said.
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The celebration at Minute Maid differed by the square foot. In one area, Pederson was running up to Terry McGuirk, the Braves' chairman, and yelling: "We're going to f---ing Augusta! Hell yeah! I f---ing told you." McGuirk, a member at Augusta National, had told players that if they win a World Series, he can swing getting them a tee time.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:14 pm to TigerScratch
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I think the reason behind this is that I don't remember him ever using the word Braves. It was always Atlanta and Astros - as far as I recall.
His first words after Freddie caught the final out: "The Braves are world champions!"
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:22 pm to Broski
Great, great article. 
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:17 pm to volfan30
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:11 am to Undertow
Posted on 11/4/21 at 5:52 am to sorantable
Freddie is coming back.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:24 am to Broski
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"We're going to f---ing Augusta! Hell yeah! I f---ing told you." McGuirk, a member at Augusta National, had told players that if they win a World Series, he can swing getting them a tee time.
Lord. Ready up the divot sand. I’m sure we got some hackers on this team.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:35 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Freddie is coming back.
Devil's advocate. He will likely give a hometown discount but how much will he actually give?
Article I read earlier said they already have $121 million on the books for next year. They started the season with a $130 million payroll. Even if they are willing to bump up to $150 million, that leaves nothing for anyone else through arbitration and keeping some of the outfielders that played huge roles this year.
Hopefully I'm wrong on those numbers. I can't find a legit site that has the up to date contract numbers. The ones I've looked at still have d'Arnaud and Morton as free agents. But if those numbers are right, unless AA is given a $175+ million opening day payroll, Freddie's new contract may hamstring this team for years.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:40 am to Dale Murphy
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Devil's advocate. He will likely give a hometown discount but how much will he actually give?
Article I read earlier said they already have $121 million on the books for next year. They started the season with a $130 million payroll. Even if they are willing to bump up to $150 million, that leaves nothing for anyone else through arbitration and keeping some of the outfielders that played huge roles this year.
Hopefully I'm wrong on those numbers. I can't find a legit site that has the up to date contract numbers. The ones I've looked at still have d'Arnaud and Morton as free agents. But if those numbers are right, unless AA is given a $175+ million opening day payroll, Freddie's new contract may hamstring this team for years.
The good news is this team doesn't need a ton this offseason. Figure out what to do with the outfielders, add a bench piece or two, maybe add another starter.
6/$160M for Freddie does scare me. That kind of deal carries a lot of risk. I know they've got to try and keep him but they shouldn't overpay to do it. I know fans can't think like this, but AA has to consider what the backside of a deal like that will look like.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:50 am to Broski
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I wouldn't hate an outfield of Rosario/Acuna/Soler with Duvall rotating in the corners (or center I guess) and Ozuna DHing, assuming everything gets settled there. Though I think Rosario and Soler are both getting much bigger deals now this offseason, so it'll prob be tough to keep both.
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Acuña CF
Freeman 1B
Ozuna DH
Riley 3B
Rosario LF
Soler RF
Albies 2B
D'Arnaud C
Swanson SS
I would leave Acuna in RF(his natural position) and not CF as the latter will wear you down(ask Andruw) and the former will be easier on his knee and less wear and tear. Keep Soler as the DH, put Duvall in CF, and Rosario in LF.
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Acuña RF
Soler DH
Freddie 1B
Riley 3B
Rosario LF
Duvall CF
Albies 2B
D'Arnaud C
Swanson SS
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:50 am to VADawg
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6/$160M for Freddie does scare me. That kind of deal carries a lot of risk. I know they've got to try and keep him but they shouldn't overpay to do it. I know fans can't think like this, but AA has to consider what the backside of a deal like that will look like.
Right. I'd almost rather a front loaded contract. Ozuna's situation is going to be key for us. Either he comes back and earns his money or hopefully they're able to dump his contract (doubtful). But his contract could pay a huge chunk of Soler/Rosario's salary, especially if the DH is coming.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:53 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Duvall in CF
I’m not a big fan of doing this full time imo
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:54 am to Dale Murphy
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Article I read earlier said they already have $121 million on the books for next year. They started the season with a $130 million payroll. Even if they are willing to bump up to $150 million, that leaves nothing for anyone else through arbitration and keeping some of the outfielders that played huge roles this year.
The first post of this thread has as accurate of numbers as anyone outside of the front office would have. We are between 121M-126M right now, and that includes the projected arbitration salaries for the guys we will likely keep. Money will not be the reason that Freddie doesn't sign, because the money is there. If he doesn't sign it's because him and the team aren't close to the years of the contract, but I can't see that happening.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 9:59 am to SwampDonks
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e are between 121M-126M right now, and that includes the projected arbitration salaries for the guys we will likely keep. Money will not be the reason that Freddie doesn't sign,
He's getting at least $25 million/year. That bumps the payroll up to around $150. And still need outfielders and starting pitching.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:00 am to VADawg
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6/$160M for Freddie does scare me. That kind of deal carries a lot of risk. I know they've got to try and keep him but they shouldn't overpay to do it. I know fans can't think like this, but AA has to consider what the backside of a deal like that will look like.
You don't turn away Freddie because you're scared he may make too much money in the last year, maybe 2 years of a contract. The time to win is now, obviously. We have Acuna, Albies, Riley, & Fried all cheap together for the next 3 years. The window will never be this open to win again. You'll need Freddie as the backbone in the middle of the order to do that. Pay the man, let's hope he brings us home another title or two, and we can live with what we get towards the end.
But I do agree that a front loaded contract is the way to go.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:01 am to Dale Murphy
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starting pitching.
We are not spending any additional money on starting pitching. Why would we?
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