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From afar, there appears to be something profoundly wrong with the program since the NC.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:47 am
I don't pretend to be an insider, but since the end of 2019, the coordinators have consistently been outschemed and outcoached. There have been innumerable missed assignments, errors, uninspired or predictable play calls, instances of poor technique, and episodes of general confusion and dismay.
Worse yet, some of the players seem indifferent. They loaf, they trot, they passively observe, they tackle poorly, they drop balls, they pout, they timidly yield. I sometimes get the impression that they are just going through the motions. There are certain players who are obviously working hard, but others appear to be emotionally absent.
Perhaps most alarming, it is clear that Orgeron has failed in his sole real function: consistent recruiting. We are rich with talent at some positions, but lacking at other key spots. OL continues to be a disappointment.
Alabama is already a juggernaut. Other SEC programs are building consistent, professional, disciplined juggernauts. It appears that LSU is regressing, shambling and disorganized and without a plan. As constituted, how can this program contend for dominance in the SEC on an annual basis? It's hard to muster enthusiasm for watching this team when they don't appear capable of consistently competing at the highest levels. I'll continue to support them, but without much real hope or interest. Maybe time will prove me wrong. I certainly hope so.
Worse yet, some of the players seem indifferent. They loaf, they trot, they passively observe, they tackle poorly, they drop balls, they pout, they timidly yield. I sometimes get the impression that they are just going through the motions. There are certain players who are obviously working hard, but others appear to be emotionally absent.
Perhaps most alarming, it is clear that Orgeron has failed in his sole real function: consistent recruiting. We are rich with talent at some positions, but lacking at other key spots. OL continues to be a disappointment.
Alabama is already a juggernaut. Other SEC programs are building consistent, professional, disciplined juggernauts. It appears that LSU is regressing, shambling and disorganized and without a plan. As constituted, how can this program contend for dominance in the SEC on an annual basis? It's hard to muster enthusiasm for watching this team when they don't appear capable of consistently competing at the highest levels. I'll continue to support them, but without much real hope or interest. Maybe time will prove me wrong. I certainly hope so.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:48 am to DmitriKaramazov
O's record outside of the NC year is pretty awful. He caught lightening in a bottle and stayed the hell out of the way for one year.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:49 am to DmitriKaramazov
Joe Burrow
Joe Brady
Dave Aranda
Chase
Clyde
Jefferson
Moss
All gone. That’s the difference.
Joe Brady
Dave Aranda
Chase
Clyde
Jefferson
Moss
All gone. That’s the difference.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:50 am to DmitriKaramazov
It’s all the BLM NIL CRT crap they keep jamming down our throats!!
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:53 am to Burt Reynolds
Nobody has said shite to me about crt .
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:53 am to DmitriKaramazov
It’s not hard to figure out the issue, the CEO model doesn’t work when the CEO is a fricking idiot.
If he didn’t fall arse backwards into Burrow he’d be back at USC coaching the DL
If he didn’t fall arse backwards into Burrow he’d be back at USC coaching the DL
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:53 am to DmitriKaramazov
Recruiting has been good actually, not sure how that doesn’t take a dip soon though
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:54 am to BilJ
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the CEO model doesn’t work when the CEO is a fricking idiot.
Yeah, pretty much.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:57 am to DmitriKaramazov
LSU needs to hire a coach that has sustained success year in and year out. I’m not even talking about Saban level because he’s a once in a generation top tier coach. 2019 was who we thought Orgeron was…a good recruiter who relies on top notch coordinators for game prep and management. Without that formula, you get what we saw last night.
This post was edited on 9/5/21 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:58 am to BilJ
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It’s not hard to figure out the issue, the CEO model doesn’t work when the CEO is a fricking idiot.
This. O needs masterminds around him to succeed because he is definitely not one.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:01 am to DmitriKaramazov
Orgeron relies on his assistants to do the job but when he hires the wrong ones, it all falls apart. Aranda, Brady and Ensminger were elite compared to what we have now. That’s the difference.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:01 am to DmitriKaramazov
quote:
From afar, there appears to be something profoundly wrong with the program since the NC.
it became O's program without Aranda and Burrow
it's literally that simple. O is a terrible HC
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:02 am to MikeEhrmantraut
quote:When Saban was hired, he was just another young coaching face, not a top tier. Don’t forget. Also don’t forget Dinardo’s LSU beat Saban’s Michigan State in the Independence Bowl.
LSU needs to hire a coach that has sustained success year in and year out. I’m not even talking about Saban level because he’s a once in a generation top tier coach.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:03 am to MikeEhrmantraut
Right. When you rely so heavily on your coordinators you can't hire people with the experience of Jake Peevy and whoever our DC is.
You hire Bill O'Brian and Freeman. Freeman is at ND because they offered him a HCIW clause in his contract. Orgeron would never allow that to be offered here.
You hire Bill O'Brian and Freeman. Freeman is at ND because they offered him a HCIW clause in his contract. Orgeron would never allow that to be offered here.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:03 am to DmitriKaramazov
Lines are soft and get pushed around.
Linebackers and safeties are constantly confused leading to them being consistently out of position, missing assignments, and wiffing on tackles.
I see zero urgency in the offense. They constantly wait to snap the ball until the playclock is near zero, even when behind late in the game. Tempo offense could have gone a long way towards blunting UCLA's blitzing.
Linebackers and safeties are constantly confused leading to them being consistently out of position, missing assignments, and wiffing on tackles.
I see zero urgency in the offense. They constantly wait to snap the ball until the playclock is near zero, even when behind late in the game. Tempo offense could have gone a long way towards blunting UCLA's blitzing.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:08 am to Jcorye1
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He caught lightening in a bottle and stayed the hell out of the way for one year.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:11 am to DmitriKaramazov
quote:
As constituted, how can this program contend for dominance in the SEC on an annual basis?
Ha
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:14 am to siliconvalleytiger
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Orgeron relies on his assistants to do the job but when he hires the wrong ones, it all falls apart. Aranda, Brady and Ensminger were elite compared to what we have now. That’s the difference.
The difference between LSU and Bama is really quite simple. Did Brady take the playbook with him? I ask because Bama gets a new OC every year, shoot sometimes even before the year ends. Saban refuses to change though. The new OC learns their playbook. "Why would 60 people learn an entirely new system when we already know the system? One guy has to learn what we do, not the other way around."
LSU had the best offense ever 2 years ago. It should’ve never changed regardless of who the OC is at the moment.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:21 am to Burt Reynolds
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It’s all the BLM NIL CRT crap they keep jamming down our throats!!
Take your obsessions to the poli board. We aren’t 5-6 since Burrow because of any of that. We are 5-6 because a group of transcendent players were led by two world-beater coordinators and they covered up significant flaws. When they all left…what remained—Coach O included—were powerless to replicate the success because they weren’t part of the X’s and O’s that created it.
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