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re: There's a recent new study on the use of Ivermectin for Covid
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:19 am to lsupride87
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:19 am to lsupride87
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when you can prevent it with something as easy as a vaccine
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:21 am to bbap
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just from a comedic standpoint, the joke was terrible. Incredibly poor delivery.
Well, this is the modern OT
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:22 am to funnystuff
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If anything, I think Sweden shows us that this isn’t necessarily a devastating disease IF you are a fit, healthy population. But for whatever reason, telling people that they should exercise and lose weight is viewed as bigoted in our wackadoo version of modernity. And unfortunately, it’s leading to more deaths.
We haven't tried it with a sick, fat population either. We've only locked them in, masked them up, scared the living shite out of them, then told them their only way to return to their sick, fat way of life is to get a shot. Even for a sick, fat population...the survival rate is still incredibly high.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:24 am to funnystuff
quote:I guess I could clarify
Well that’s just a flat out, unequivocal, bold faced lie...
Less than 50% of the studies showed in the OP are controlled. However, in the controlled studies, Ivermectin showed the least success compared to studies without control groups, and didnt show material differences from the control group itself as a whole
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 8:25 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:26 am to stout
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You know this was a decent discussion everyone from all sides was having and you come in thinking your stereotypes are funny, making a point, and making others look stupid. I think you don't understand they do none of the above and only serve to make you look like the uneducated one not willing to open your mind up.
I'm more than willing to accept ivermectin as a treatment if it's studied properly and proven to work. When the responses in the thread start hinting that a vaccine is only being given precedence because "big pharma caint make no money on ivermectin" or people are saying "we just need to let this here virus run it's course cause that's what worked in Sweden," I mock.
ETA: your responses have been totally reasonable btw, none of this is aimed at you.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 8:27 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:26 am to lsupride87
Wait, so fruity pebbles prevents & treats covid? Prolly why kids don’t get the covid as easily
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:27 am to Ingeniero
frick off Racheal Maddow.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:27 am to stout
quote:A certain segment of our lovely population:
The probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 63 studies is estimated to be 1 in 1 trillion.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:29 am to lsupride87
quote:Also, of one of the controlled studies that show the biggest support of Ivermectin, this is the stats
I guess I could clarify
Less than 50% of the studies showed in the OP are controlled. However, in the controlled studies, Ivermectin showed the least success compared to studies without control groups, and didnt show material differences from the control group itself as a whole
0/55 deaths in Ivermectin
4/57 in control group
That is the sample sizes you are dealing with, and you can also see how flawed this can be because his death rate in the control group is 10 times higher than that of the general population death rate for covid, which is why you need more than 50 freaking people
If you want to use his control group to make any opinions on covid, you also need to say "the death rate of covid is 7%"
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 8:31 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:30 am to macjonesgoat
quote:This is similar to an ad hominem...did you read the articles and click on the underlying studies discussed? Do you take specific issue with the content?
medium is a joke of a website. It is known as a social media journalist website, meaning it is a blog website, not anything close to science.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:31 am to When in Rome
quote:Im currently going through all the controlled studies. They average sample sizes of about 75 people.......
This is similar to an ad hominem...did you read the articles and click on the underlying studies discussed? Do you take specific issue with the content?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:33 am to lsupride87
quote:Which is why these surveys, while far from conclusive, really only serve to show larger, more stringent, well run studies are needed to draw firm conclusions about the effectiveness of invermectin. In the mean time, I see no issue with people using it under a doctors care. The only real issue is people that misuse this information to ignore the effectiveness and benefits of vaccination.
That is the sample sizes you are dealing with
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:34 am to stout
The only thing that makes me skeptical is that if you look at the website and other treatments that they evaluate everything works.
According to them probiotics, aspirin, curcumin, melatonin, quercertin, etc. all work.
I have a hard time believing that’s true
They even say the expensive dr Fauci drug remdesivir works and we know there are studies that say remdesivir doesn’t really do anything.
According to them probiotics, aspirin, curcumin, melatonin, quercertin, etc. all work.
I have a hard time believing that’s true
They even say the expensive dr Fauci drug remdesivir works and we know there are studies that say remdesivir doesn’t really do anything.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:35 am to WaWaWeeWa
They took all the studies that have questionable methodology and put them in one meta analysis.
Not really compelling.
Not really compelling.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:36 am to Cajunhawk81
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It saved India...
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While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:37 am to lsupride87
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If you want to use his control group to make any opinions on covid, you also need to say "the death rate of covid is 7%"
That’s correct. It makes me question whether or not it was truly early treatment because the death rate is so high. However if this was a study in nursing home patients I could imagine a death rate that high
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:38 am to lsupride87
The study coming out referenced in the Medium article contains 1,800 patients and shows little effectiveness of ivermectin to treat covid. Not a bad sample size.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:40 am to When in Rome
Another one of the controlled studies used to show that Ivermectin had a 70% improvement in covid mortality
1/47 deaths in Ivermectin group and 3/42 deaths in control group
I mean honestly what is the point of studies this small?
The largest study in the control group is 1200 total people
18/677 deaths in ivermectin group and 22/678 deaths in control group
1/47 deaths in Ivermectin group and 3/42 deaths in control group
I mean honestly what is the point of studies this small?
The largest study in the control group is 1200 total people
18/677 deaths in ivermectin group and 22/678 deaths in control group
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 8:42 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:46 am to lsupride87
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I mean honestly what is the point of studies this small?
In my conspiracy theory mind, it is because there is no monetary incentive for pharma to fund larger studies and an effective treatment (if proven to be one) means the CDC and Government lose the emergency declarations and totalitarian control they currently yield.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:48 am to stout
IMO ivermectin allows healthy people to overcome COVID the following ways:
prophylaxis: will never know you have COVID if not tested (asymptomatic at worse).
early treatment: shorten the severity of the virus.
late treatment: little to no effect and these people will overcome the virus as if they never took ivermectin.
People with comorbidities that take ivermectin will run the gamut of outcomes mostly based on the severity and number of comorbidities. If your comorbidities have you on the edge of life or death not only does COVID have a good shot at pushing you over the edge but so do a plethora of diseases that would be minor for otherwise healthy people.
prophylaxis: will never know you have COVID if not tested (asymptomatic at worse).
early treatment: shorten the severity of the virus.
late treatment: little to no effect and these people will overcome the virus as if they never took ivermectin.
People with comorbidities that take ivermectin will run the gamut of outcomes mostly based on the severity and number of comorbidities. If your comorbidities have you on the edge of life or death not only does COVID have a good shot at pushing you over the edge but so do a plethora of diseases that would be minor for otherwise healthy people.
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