re: There's a recent new study on the use of Ivermectin for Covid

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Do you not understand the point of a control group in these studies?

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You dont understand what placebo can and cant do.

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If 6/70 people who took Ivermectin end up in the hospital

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Then you have solid, good data on people with ivermectin.

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and 6/70 people who did not take Ivermectin end up on the hospital, that should tell you that Ivermectin made no significant difference in outcome.

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Covid has been around for almost 24 months. The control group is general population (unvaccinated). You can even compare it to the general population vaccinated.

You are expecting lab rat variables for some reason. No study today on humans is able to eliminate all natural variables. The closest we can do is to compare geographic regions (to control for customs on diet, work/stress, housing, etc..)

The world is not a sterile test environment. But we can study ivermectin and compare it to what we see versus non-vaccinated and versus vaccinated people. The data is still solid even without placebo. A control group (placebo) does not prevent covid. It does not cure covid. And the studies are not doing subjective measures (on a scale of 1 to 10 how much pain are you feeling? What side effects are you experiencing?). The viral load effects positive tests, hospitalizations, and need for ventilators. We have plenty of data on people who have not taken ivermectin (most of the world).

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the op's source is ivmmeta.com

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Does that discredit that this is an aggregate of a variety of studies completed on Ivermectin?

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The cruise ship told us that the virus lasted 2+ weeks on surfaces.

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No it didn't.

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The cruise ship also had a 2% fatality rate

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No it didn't.

You're the one remembering it wrong. Here's a nature.com article explaining it from March 26, 2020: LINK

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Using the Diamond Princess data, a team reports in Eurosurveillance1 that by 20 February, 18% of all infected people on the ship had no symptoms. “That is a substantial number,” says co-author Gerardo Chowell, a mathematical epidemiologist at Georgia State University in Atlanta. But the passengers included a large number of elderly people, who are most likely to develop severe disease if infected, so the share of asymptomatic people in the general population is likely to be higher, he says.

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Another team used data from the ship to estimate2 that the proportion of deaths among confirmed cases in China, the case fatality rate (CFR), was around 1.1% — much lower than the 3.8% estimated by the World Health Organization (WHO).

The WHO simply divided China’s total number of deaths by the total number of confirmed infections, says Timothy Russell, a mathematical epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. That method does not take into account that only a fraction of infected people are actually tested, and so it makes the disease seem more deadly than it is, he says.

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The group also estimates that the infection fatality rate (IFR) in China — the proportion of all infections, including asymptomatic ones, that result in death — is even lower, at roughly 0.5%.

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Ioannidis adds that the studies using Diamond Princess data could benefit from the addition of the medical histories of those on board, such as whether or not people smoked. “We know that not only age, but also presence of medical diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, heart disease, diabetes and other conditions increase the risk of a bad outcome,” he says.

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The "cluster" you are describing was a result of the fear porn coming from europe and propogated by the media.

The UN currently reports 13 deaths on the diamond princess out of 712 infections. The infections were not an immediate spike. They continued to test positive during the ships quarantine.

And yes... the thought from both the diamond princess and the immediate spike in NY (subways) was that indoor surfaces maintained active/contageous viral load for up to 2 weeks.

Weve learned a ton in the immediate 2 months after the diamond princess. The cluster is like what happened after 9/11 (reports of attacks in places where attacks didnt happen). Reports were of people dropping dead walking the streets of europe and south america. The idea that the virus could survive surfaces. Stupid predictions like Cambridge which predicted something ridiculous like 2M deaths in the first 6 months.

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The UN currently reports 13 deaths on the diamond princess out of 712 infections. The infections were not an immediate spike. They continued to test positive during the ships quarantine.

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This article was from March 26th... 6 weeks after it was quarantined. That was plenty of time for analysis.

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And yes... the thought from both the diamond princess and the immediate spike in NY (subways) was that indoor surfaces maintained active/contageous viral load for up to 2 weeks.

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Nothing of what I said had anything to do with how it was spread. People are still arguing about it. It had nothing to do what what was happening and the lockdowns.

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Weve learned a ton in the immediate 2 months after the diamond princess.

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I didn't say we didn't. I'm saying we absolutely did.

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Reports were of people dropping dead walking the streets of europe and south america.

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That was reported in 2019. It was the damn Title of the original mega thread that was originally meant to be a joke.

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Stupid predictions like Cambridge which predicted something ridiculous like 2M deaths in the first 6 months.

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That was discredited almost immediately by legit scientists. It was the media that kept repeating it and using it for propaganda. You're supporting my argument, not yours.

"Otherwise, everyone would be on sugar pills as protection against covid 19"


This would be the Magic Zpack patients are begging for

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Does that discredit that this is an aggregate of a variety of studies completed on Ivermectin?

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Aggregate of data means squat unless you can prove that it aggregates all of the data.

How do you know it isn't cherry picked?

One study at a time you can credit/discredit. When you're overwhelmed with a data dump several different sources, it's likely they're manipulating the result.

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feel like it is just this year's hydroxychloroquine. You can find studies for anything, but I would personally like to talk with people who it is proven they actually took it and had success. As with hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin appears to just be tossed around as an anecdote but I've never met anyone that actually took either of those with success. As with any med used off label it is possible some people may get the exact reaction they need, but I wouldn't feel confident in saying it can work for everyone.

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I dont know if it is true, but i read that the government outlawes hydrochloriquine?

The point is to do the studies locally to have results to expand practice upon. But as i said, big pharma and government dont like that approach. No money/control in it.

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While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection.

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And now we know the vaccines don't do this, so please show yourself out