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re: Cam Thomas
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:27 am to ghost2most
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:27 am to ghost2most
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Why do people keep saying Murphy is a SG?
Because he is a guard. He played guard at Virginia. He played guard at Rice. He was listed as a guard in the draft.
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Did you not see him manning up PFs in SL?
Again. He did this out of necessity. There were a total of 3 guys 6’9” or taller on the SL team. I’m sure there will be matchup dependent times where he can run some 4. But he isn’t a full time 4.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:36 am to Not Cooper
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Because he is a guard. He played guard at Virginia. He played guard at Rice. He was listed as a guard in the draft.
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Did you not see him manning up PFs in SL?
Again. He did this out of necessity. There were a total of 3 guys 6’9” or taller on the SL team. I’m sure there will be matchup dependent times where he can run some 4. But he isn’t a full time 4.
He's a SF. He was listed as a SF/SG on some sites but always a SF. He's 6'9. He's a wing sure, which is normally includes SGs and SFs, but he's not a Guard. Maybe not this year but he projects as a SF that will play small ball PF.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:38 am to ghost2most
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Why do people keep saying Murphy is a SG? He's more a PF than SG.
Murphy is 205 lbs he will be giving up 25-30 lbs minimum to even the lightest PFs in real life NBA. He will get abused there
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:45 am to Not Cooper
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Because he is a guard. He played guard at Virginia. He played guard at Rice. He was listed as a guard in the draft.
He played SF, not SG, not that there's really that big of a difference.
He's almost the same size as MPJ and Otto Porter.
His feet make him able to guard smaller guys b/c he's quick enough, and his length helps him recover, but he's big enough to handle most small ball 4's, but i would agree that he's more suited to play as a "guard"
i personally think your PG should be able to defend both guard positions effectively. I don't expect the PG to be able to handle the big SF's or big men.
your SG and SF should be able to defend 1-4, within reason (AD is not a 4), maybe not effectively guard some elite PG's are 4's, but hold their own on switches.
your 4 should be able to guard big men, as well as switch onto guards and hold his own, with the exception of elite guys that can penetrate on anyone or elite bigs like Jokic and Embiid.
I expect my 5 to be able to hold his own against Jokic and Embiid. I didn't say stop them, I said hold your own, as in big enough to bang with them and not get dominated like a smaller guy would get dominated.
I think Murphy fits in that SG/SF role. doesn't matter which one really.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:49 am to GynoSandberg
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On draft kings hes a SF
On pretty much every site he's a SF. Some have him as SF/SG. None I saw listed him as just SG.
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Murphy is 205 lbs ? he will be giving up 25-30 lbs minimum to even the lightest PFs in real life NBA. He will get abused there
He said projects more as a PF than a SG. Not that he projects as a PF. I can easily see him playing "PF" when Zion sits in small ball lineups. BI played 30% of his minutes as a "PF" last season and he's even lighter and shorter.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:37 am to hugo_boss
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On pretty much every site he's a SF. Some have him as SF/SG. None I saw listed him as just SG.
Well, he is a SG/SF.
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He said projects more as a PF than a SG. Not that he projects as a PF. I can easily see him playing "PF" when Zion sits in small ball lineups. BI played 30% of his minutes as a "PF" last season and he's even lighter and shorter.
Nothing about him projects as a PF though. He’s a catch and shoot guy on offense and plus perimeter defender. Of course positioning does not exist in a vacuum, I’m sure there will be instances when he can play 4 depending on the matchups. I reckon most coaches would direct their PFs to go right at Murphy if he were guarding. I think you’re underestimating the size of the majority of 4s around the league
As for Ingram, he was 195 with a 7’3” wing at 18 years old. He’s been in an NBA weight program for 5 years and has likely grown in length over that time. He’s not an ideal 4 but is more equipped than a Murphy at this point
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:44 am to GynoSandberg
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Ingram, he was 195 with a 7’3” wing at 18 years old. He’s been in an NBA weight program for 5 years
Man his trainer needs a new job
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:33 am to GynoSandberg
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Nothing about him projects as a PF though. He’s a catch and shoot guy on offense and plus perimeter defender. Of course positioning does not exist in a vacuum, I’m sure there will be instances when he can play 4 depending on the matchups. I reckon most coaches would direct their PFs to go right at Murphy if he were guarding. I think you’re underestimating the size of the majority of 4s around the league
As for Ingram, he was 195 with a 7’3” wing at 18 years old. He’s been in an NBA weight program for 5 years and has likely grown in length over that time. He’s not an ideal 4 but is more equipped than a Murphy at this point
Once again, no one is saying he is an actual PF, especially not currently. Most PF are in the 230-240 range. 10 lbs put Murphy at 215 which with his length (7'1), he should easily be able to spend some time at the 4. Even at his current weight it's not impossible. Ingram is no more equipped than Murphy. Ingram came in at 195 and doesn't look considerably bigger now. Chris Boucher is 200 lbs and plays PF. Brandon Clarke is 215. Robert Covington is 209. Darius Bazley is 208. It has and can be done.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:52 am to GynoSandberg
quote:There aren't that many 4's who even use their size to their advantage in the post. Especially backup 4's.
Murphy is 205 lbs he will be giving up 25-30 lbs minimum to even the lightest PFs in real life NBA. He will get abused there
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:55 am to Epic Cajun
Even if they do use their size and power, I think we can use Hayes at the 4 and put Hermangomez at the 5. Or go small ball which we have been doing in summer league.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:15 pm to Epic Cajun
This isn't Murphys skull set or why he got drafted. He is a great perimeter defender. UVA used him as a rover to lock down PGs and SGs. Whoever the other teams best scorer was. It was a huge advantage for him, cause he was so much taller, longer and is quick for his size.
There are so few pure SFs that come out of college. Most have to play in the front court. So it is a bit of a gamble on who can make the transition. Now a lot of teams are just using guards with bigger frames to play SF (O'neale, Dort, Powell, even us with Hart).
There are so few pure SFs that come out of college. Most have to play in the front court. So it is a bit of a gamble on who can make the transition. Now a lot of teams are just using guards with bigger frames to play SF (O'neale, Dort, Powell, even us with Hart).
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:00 pm to brmark70816
quote:Most 4's in today's NBA are perimeter players
He is a great perimeter defender.
ETA: I think you're looking at this as too black/white. If Trey's defense is as good as it appears, he's probably going to guard the opposing team's best player who plays anywhere from 2-4. It's situational. To say that he's always going to defend against 4s is probably not correct, but the same goes for saying that he's never going to defend 4s. It depends on who the other team has at 2-4 and who the Pels are playing 2-4. I think situationally he can play and defend any of those positions.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:03 pm to Epic Cajun
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There aren't that many 4's who even use their size to their advantage in the post. Especially backup 4's.
No they just take you off the dribble and outmuscle you to get to where they want near the rim, and then over power you to prevent you from doing the same when they’re guarding you. They have no problem boxing you out for a rebound.
Having tweener outliers around the league who play out of position does not justify Murphy playing there. We can just be happy with a having a competent wing and not try to make him something he’s not
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Most 4's in today's NBA are perimeter players
*and are highly skilled within 10 feet
* and are some of the best rebounders in the league
I guess it’s good if he can guard Chris Boucher and Al Farooq Aminu, but those guys are like 5% of the PF crop
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:17 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Backup 4s are going to do this?
No they just take you off the dribble and outmuscle you to get to where they want near the rim, and then over power you to prevent you from doing the same when they’re guarding you. They have no problem boxing you out for a rebound.
Having tweener outliers around the league who play out of position does not justify Murphy playing there. We can just be happy with a having a competent wing and not try to make him something he’s not
Who is your suggestion for guarding backup 4s? I don't know that it's going to be his primary role, but I think he will guard some backup 4s situationally.
Contenders that we have for that position are Hart, Murphy, Marshall, and Jones. Who do you think they go with? Marshall? It's not like we have a great selection to choose from
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:29 pm to Epic Cajun
To be honest, Murphy base is solid. He didn't look overmatched when Patrick Williams and Kuminga was trying to get physical with him. I think he'll be fine unless he goes against a bruiser like Blake Griffin, Giannis, and Julius Randle of the world.
Not ideal but it can be viable.
Not ideal but it can be viable.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:40 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:yeah the only times where he struggled against stronger guys was boxing out for rebounds. He got kind of dominated a few times this summer league in those instances
Murphy base is solid. He didn't look overmatched when
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:04 pm to Epic Cajun
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Backup 4s are going to do this?
Some do, some don’t. Majority have arse are proficient around the basket. Some have other facets in their bag.
If murphy is guarding 4s, it means Zion isn’t on the floor. I think the ideal lineup may have both on the floor together
If Zion is healthy there aren’t many minutes to cover there. Ingram, Hayes, Hart, Naji all covered minutes there last year. Sato has dabbled there. None are ideal but you have options based on the matchup. And there are a few instances where we can hide Murphy there
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:13 pm to GynoSandberg
Surely Zion can be a small ball 5 on defence.
Draymond and Tucker are the same height and weigh less and they both defend the 5
Draymond and Tucker are the same height and weigh less and they both defend the 5
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:34 pm to Tiger365
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Don’t know if mentioned previously, but I think not picking up Cam will haunt us for years to come. If he can live up to what he flashed at LSU...he will be a perennial all-star type player! Just didn’t understand passing him up.
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