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Posted on 5/31/21 at 1:49 pm to Pecker
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But that's not the real issue.
What's the real issue?
Posted on 5/31/21 at 1:56 pm to Zach
quote:the system in a broad sense
What's the real issue?
Posted on 5/31/21 at 1:58 pm to Pecker
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the system in a broad sense
Yep, we gotta get rid of the system.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 1:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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we are actually referring to an economic system free from force
Umm. That's not what we have. You can absolutely be forced to give up your business or property for another business or society.
You can be forced to shutdown under a number of circumstances as well.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:01 pm to oklahogjr
North and South Korea started on equal footing after the Korean War. 70 years later one is a burgeoning global economic powerhouse while the other resorts to cannabilism to avoid starvation. Draw your own conclusions
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:17 pm to Pecker
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Free trade exists without governments but capitalism can't exist without government in a true sense.
You've got this backwards. Government involvement isn't true capitalism. Which we don't have here in the US because of our government involvement.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:21 pm to oklahogjr
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Umm. That's not what we have. You can absolutely be forced to give up your business or property for another business or society. You can be forced to shutdown under a number of circumstances as well.
America is not a capitalist nation. We are a mix of capitalism and socialism. That's why there is so much waste, high taxes, bureaucracies that are inefficient.
Just take the example of the post office. In the 1700s there were private companies that beat the hell out of the post office in delivering mail. They were banned by govt because postal chiefs were appointed as political payback.
Now, we look at FedX and UPS as eliminating the need for the post office. It was already proven a very long time ago. And today the post office is demanding higher stamp prices because they can't run their business as well as the privates.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It would help if we ever get a truly capitalist society instead of our current pseudocapitalism that we have now.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I highly recommend the Soho forum Debates series on socialism vs free markets.
On podcast and YouTube I believe.
On podcast and YouTube I believe.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:25 pm to East Coast Band
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I always thought that the uber rich liberals are hypocritical when they don't voluntarily pay higher taxes.
I'm not sure it is now, but there used to be a line on the tax forms where you could add more taxes than you owed.
Where is this virtue signaling from the left?
It's cheaper to virtue signal. I see it all the time with upper middle class white types. Bitch about privilege and all of that, but donate time or money at all.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The US isn’t even a true Capitalism market anymore. The government has too much overreach. Bailouts and stimulus payments can’t exist in capitalism system
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Capitalism evolves into oligarchies/monopolies. It is inevitable. Capitalism remains capitalism for a very short time.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 10:36 pm to zatetic
wrong
Posted on 5/31/21 at 11:43 pm to zatetic
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Capitalism evolves into oligarchies/monopolies. It is inevitable. Capitalism remains capitalism for a very short time.
Technological advances do more to eliminate any oligarchy or monopoly than any other method (including government breakupa). Frew markets work.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:19 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
This thread is the biggest endorsement of Anarchy I have seen on this board without the participants knowing.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:33 am to dgnx6
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You've got this backwards. Government involvement isn't true capitalism.
You have actually no idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 1:03 am to LSUconvert
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You've got this backwards. Government involvement isn't true capitalism.
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You have actually no idea what you're talking about.
Governments restrict practicing jobs without occupational licenses, restrict who can invest in startups, punish the distribution of products and services they deem illegal and have no tolerance for price gauging during circumstances of high demand and low supply. At the same time each legal transaction is taxed making them a 3rd party of all business. Any argument believing that is true capitalism should be ignored.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:32 am to Jimbeaux
What is the federal reserve? They make/own all the money...from nothing. Or do you just not understand that?
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:25 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Under a capitalist system, anyone or any group that wishes to practice socialism can do so. Communes, co-op businesses, 100% profit sharing enterprises can all be created by voluntary associations of people who are disgusted with the notion of profit.
This isn't exactly true. They cannot compete against capitalism. Therefore, they will all fail. True socialism requires that you crush any system/force/situation that would threaten you. Even if that situation is emigration out of the country by your populace (Berlin wall/etc.). It's the sole reason they all become totalitarian regimes.
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