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re: Why do American Christians support Israel?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:08 am to Revelator
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:08 am to Revelator
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This Replacement Theology is embraced by White Supremest groups like the KKK and people like David Duke who feel that White Anglo Saxons are Gods chosen ones.
Dude, I was kind of giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you lost me with this. God's chosen are CHRISTIANS. Black, Caucasian, Jew, Indian, Asian, etc. Race has NOTHING to do with it.
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:10 am to Esquire
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Didn’t you get embarrassed enough in the last version of this thread?
A person never has to be embarrassed for telling the truth
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:14 am to msudawg1200
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Dude, I was kind of giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you lost me with this. God's chosen are CHRISTIANS. Black, Caucasian, Jew, Indian, Asian, etc. Race has NOTHING to do with it.
Of course race has nothing to do with salvation, but it doesn’t stop some groups from using the Bible to legitimize racism. Some used the Bible to discourage mixed marriages and to also justify slavery. And some use the excuse that the Jews killed Jesus to justify antisemitism.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:18 am to Revelator
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The Bible even says the Jews hearts were hardened for a season specifically so that salvation could also come to the Gentiles.
This is another problem with the Bible. God wouldn't need to make Jews deny His Son just to save Gentiles. God also hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he would not let the Israelites leave Egypt. God intentionally caused the Pharaoh to do wrong just so he could send more plagues on the people of Egypt. That doesn't sound like a God full of love and light to me. It sounds like a god made up by jews just so they can say that they are the chosen ones and that all their actions are defensible no matter how atrocious they are.
Either God is full of agape love or he intentionally causes people to go against Him for whatever reason. I prefer the God that isn't a dick.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:24 am to TenWheelsForJesus
frick hamas that's why i support isreal.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:26 am to 632627
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There’s a reason why the term judeo-Christian exists,
There is, but it's not the reason you think.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:33 am to FooManChoo
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From a religious standpoint, they all need to repent of their unbelief in Jesus Christ and turn to Him in faith or they will perish like the Muslims who wish them dead.
What if they were right and the messiah hasn't arrived yet? I mean Jesus was not the first historical figure to die and be resurrected 3 days later. Gilgamesh pulled that move too, thousands of years before JC
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:40 am to arcalades
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Israel is certainly God's "chosen people". That chosen part has a very specific meaning. They were chosen by God to bring salvation to the world. The Jewish people didn't accept Christ as the means to salvation, so God and Christ turned to Saul/Paul to take the message of salvation to the Gentiles.
Seems like a rather poor choice by God, doesn't it?
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Note this: the entire purpose of the 144,000 Israelites in Revelation is to fulfill the prophecy regarding Israel being God's chosen people who would bring the message of salvation to the world.
144,000 out of several million, maybe even a billion at this point, Jews. Kinda tells you that the vast majority of Jews are not God's chosen people then, eh?
Also, ancient Israel equals modern Israel as much as modern Americans equal those that walked across the ice bridge.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:42 am to Esquire
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Just like the progs calling everybody they disagree with racist.
Didn’t you get embarrassed enough in the last version of this thread?
It's JUST like it. This kunt calls anyone who believes in Replacement theology a racist or anti-semite, never mind the fact that Jehovah Witnesses believe in the replacement theology and they're the most diverse congregation I've ever seen. Literally half the congregation was black and the other white the one time I went. Independent fundamentalist church believes in it, yet go watch Pastor Anderson on YouTube. He marries black and white people all the damn time.
Lol at him (Revelator) resorting to the same tactics soy boy Marxists use.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 7:43 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:44 am to Craig86
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Why do American Christians support Israel?
You have to separate the political reasons to support Israel from the religious angle. Once you do that then you are better able to objectively consider Israel’s place in the ME. It’s ok to support Israel generally, as one of America’s important allies, and to also disagree with Israel’s actions, when appropriate.
Throwing in all that “Jesus was killed by Jews” stuff is unnecessary. Besides, Jesus’ plan was his own. He chose the Jews to crucify Him as part of His plan. So it isn’t for us to hold a grudge.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:44 am to arcalades
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Israel is certainly God's "chosen people". That chosen part has a very specific meaning. They were chosen by God to bring salvation to the world.
Let's be honest, the Greeks are a better candidate for a chosen people. They've done much more for civilization.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:52 am to Evolved Simian
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Palestinians are vile racists. Pretty much all of them.
Are those the people who look down upon and call everyone who isn't part of their tribe goyim?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:58 am to Gcockboi
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Lol at him (Revelator) resorting to the same tactics soy boy Marxists use.
“Hitler, David Duke, and Stalin all drank water. Water is the preferred drink of anti-semites and drinking water means you hate Jews.” - Revelator
Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:10 am to Revelator
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God has truly turned his back on Israel as a nation, why allow Jews to gather from around the globe, migrate back to Israel, and allow them once again to be a people and nation?
I don't really care about this argument, but maybe God didn't have a part in the reformation of Israel.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:13 am to TK421
The establishment of the state of Israel after WW2 is probably the best geopolitical example of a self-fulfilling prophecy in history. It’s always amusing to watch the (usually willful) naïveté of the Christians willing to believe that was a spontaneous fulfillment of Biblical prophecy 
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 8:14 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:15 am to Revelator
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If God has truly turned his back on Israel as a nation, why allow Jews to gather from around the globe, migrate back to Israel, and allow them once again to be a people and nation?
If God is finished with Israel, shouldn’t he have simply left them in exile?
Hint: The societies directly responsible for the establishment of Israel after the war had read the book of Revelation
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:30 am to Craig86
Because about 2,000 years of Christendom was completely wrong and we figured out a couple hundred years ago these correct doctrines:
-That God actually is a respecter of persons
-That you can have the Father without the Son
-That in Abraham’s seed not all nations will be blessed
-That we should concern ourselves with endless genealogies (although curiously and for reasons unknown we only have them up to Jesus before the rest were destroyed in Herod’s time so good luck with that)
-That judiazing is good and judaizers are to be sought
-That he who denies Jesus is the Christ is not a liar and antichrist
-That you can believe Moses and not believe Jesus
-That the new Jerusalem is actually an earthly one established by man and a not a heavenly one established by God on this earth after the Great White Throne Judgement.
Good thing modern evangelicals figured this out. Even Jesus Christ needed correcting on most of these.
-That God actually is a respecter of persons
-That you can have the Father without the Son
-That in Abraham’s seed not all nations will be blessed
-That we should concern ourselves with endless genealogies (although curiously and for reasons unknown we only have them up to Jesus before the rest were destroyed in Herod’s time so good luck with that)
-That judiazing is good and judaizers are to be sought
-That he who denies Jesus is the Christ is not a liar and antichrist
-That you can believe Moses and not believe Jesus
-That the new Jerusalem is actually an earthly one established by man and a not a heavenly one established by God on this earth after the Great White Throne Judgement.
Good thing modern evangelicals figured this out. Even Jesus Christ needed correcting on most of these.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:33 am to PickupAutist
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PickupAutist
While a bit hyperbolic, you're not really wrong. I think a lot of the church obsession with Israel is just Israeli propaganda. Israelis very clearly see Christians as rubes and reading the posts the last week, it's easy to see why.
That doesn't mean that there isn't a very real connection between Jews and God remaining where he promised to restore them, specifically.
Romans 11 addresses this.
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As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Jews are undoubtedly almost all going to hell currently due to their rejection of Christ, but God has promised to come back and restore them as he always has. I describe it as family business. God has cast them in the street to be trampled by men, but I wouldn't be the guy caught abusing them.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:43 am to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:What are these Darwin lies? I have never heard this before.
Most certainly have
I know that life cannot pop into existence from literally nothing
Charles Darwin was a corrupt piece of shite pathological liar, supported by other corrupt POS pathological liars
Also, are you saying you do not believe in evolution?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:37 am to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:No He wasn't. He was a Jew who followed the law perfectly in order to be a perfect sacrifice for sin. He observed the feasts and went to the synagogues with his earthly parents and returned there during His ministry to expose corruption.
He was Essene. Which is why you see condemnation of Pharisees and Sadducees in the Bible.
He condemned the Pharisees and Sadducees for their perversion of true religion and lack of faithfulness to the word of God, acting as hypocrites and leading people away from the truth.
The Essenes had their own rituals and beliefs that were different from Jews at the time and they separated themselves from the rest of civilization, which Jesus did not do.
quote:Modern Jews are just as anti-Christ as Muslims are, because those who reject that Christ is the messiah and son of God are antichrists.
The Essene also gave us the Dead Sea Scrolls which focus more on spirituality and consciousness. They also were against people becoming worldly. With modern Jews being heavily involved in worldly systems such as finance, popular culture, and media, why would anyone still think modern Jews have any relation to Christ?
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 10:58 am
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