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re: Amazon’s Lord of the Rings dead on arrival
Posted on 5/13/21 at 4:41 pm to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 5/13/21 at 4:41 pm to WicKed WayZ
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That’s my point of this entire argument. A lot of “fans” aren’t even giving the show a chance.
Maybe it is because ever since it was announced there would be a show on Amazon, “fans“ have been paying very close attention to this project. Again, you reveal to the board how little you know about this topic. It isn’t just ‘ one article ‘ that has this fan very skeptical of what Amazon has in store.
And also, anyone paying attention to what has taken place in Hollywood over the past several years, everything from the disaster of the Game of Thrones ending, the Star Wars sequels, Doctor Who, JJ Abram’s Star Trek, Terminator Woke Fate…
Did you even see the Oscars? You were probably the only one, if so . It’s an industrywide problem, not just having to do with one damn article
Posted on 5/13/21 at 5:09 pm to AURaptor
Oh...
You’re one of those posters. Got it. Flame away.
You’re one of those posters. Got it. Flame away.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 5:27 pm to WicKed WayZ
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forward thinking
He doubles down!
its hilarious to watch the progressive mind treat destruction as production in real time.
"forward-thinking"
any other coded, NPC terms you have for us?
Posted on 5/13/21 at 6:35 pm to WicKed WayZ
@wicked WayZ - can’t answer with any thing of substance. Yah, one of THOSE posters.
Crassic
FYI - over a YEAR ago, this was being discussed.
Nerdrotic : Female Gandalf?
Crassic
FYI - over a YEAR ago, this was being discussed.
Nerdrotic : Female Gandalf?
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:33 pm to OMLandshark
They can make all the shitty versions of classics they want. The originals will always be thereto remind them of what they cannot do.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:21 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:Well, I get what you're saying with this, but I don't necessarily agree. Frodo's Heroic Quest has universal appeal, he's truly the little guy taking it upon himself to save the world.
The Lord of the Rings is specifically designed not to have global appeal.
quote:Except this series doesn't get that right.
Saying a product can’t evolve past its original design is the opposite of finding new and creative ways of storytelling. No genre or work of art should be pigeonholed into being one thing or another and I think LOTR has the right to diverge from Tolkien’s original path if they have found some interesting stories to tell.
Tolkien's world is a history book. The last chapters are LOTR. This series is set a thousand years before that, roughly. In this stretch, the story is not detailed, but like I said, a couple chapters of a history book.
SPOILER
Morgoth holds power in Middle Earth. The Valar defeat him and break up most of Middle Earth in the process, and subsequently vow never to come in force again because of that.
The loyal Men are gifted Numenor as a reward, while some of the Elves choose to stay in Middle Earth. Sauron hides out, emerges, fools most and eventually gains control of the continent. Numenor comes in force, Sauron surrenders, and comes to Numenor as a prisoner. He charms his way into corrupting them, leading them to turn against the Valar. This leads to uttermost disaster, and the remmants of Numenor get washed up on Middle Earth to found Gondor and Arnor.
Those seven sentences are the history of this world. This series will translate some or all into a richly detailed tale, but nothing can be allowed to "diverge" from that. Nothing can contradict the big picture.
You can color in the details, but you have to remain true to the outline.
All that said, there is plenty of room for coloring in things. We know NOTHING of the East, of the other Istari, of lands outside the scope of LOTR. And really, very little beyond a sentence or so per decade (maybe century), in those known lands. There's a king here, a war there.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:25 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
You may be the worst poster on all of tigerdroppings.
Quite an accomplishment
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:36 pm to kilo
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You may be the worst poster on all of tigerdroppings.
Quite an accomplishment
Not a fan of yourself either.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 11:17 pm to blueboy
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The originals will always be thereto remind them of what they cannot do.
You mean the shitty cartoon ones from the 70s?
Posted on 5/13/21 at 11:19 pm to AURaptor
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Terminator Woke Fate
...For the sake of discussion, could you elaborate what you found wrong with Dark Fate?
Edit: I mean, other than being a bland, unnecessary Terminator sequel. Which we can all agree. But I'm more interested in why you added the "Woke" part to the title.
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 11:29 pm to Bonkers119
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That is code for China. Yep, it’s fricked.
Talk about a reach, no where in the article does it say that. They're just saying they needs it to be a global success due to the massive cost associated with the production of the show.
It's impressive that y'all try to find some wrong with everything you read, it must be exhausting to constantly think this way.
The Lord of the Rings video game was cancelled when the Chinese company Tencent couldn't come to an agreement with Amazon so this is could be why OP thinks this might be the case with the series as well. Is it 100% why? We don't know but there is certainly smoke that it could be and pretending like it is some insane reach is much more silly than his assertion.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 11:58 pm to V Bainbridge
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The Lord of the Rings video game was cancelled when the Chinese company Tencent couldn't come to an agreement with Amazon so this is could be why OP thinks this might be the case with the series as well.
Dang it. I didn't know anything about this game and now I'm both angry I didn't know about it and angry it was cancelled because of Chinese government-owned Tencent.
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 5/14/21 at 2:58 am to OvertheDwayneBowe
quote:The sky screaming is mind-numbing. It's the same posters over and over that gravitate to MTV for poli-controversal specific topics, yet never post on MTV otherwise - not the regs mind you. Everyone gets it and I'm not calling it out anymore.
Check out the overlap of people melting down over preliminary news on a TV show and if they post on PT. They truly want to be miserable all the time, I believe.
That aside, there is an actual better discussion in this thread between IP and the liberty to adapt that IP. It's a much better discussion than snow-flaking over a show that is still in development.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 6:19 am to AURaptor
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And also, anyone paying attention to what has taken place in Hollywood over the past several years, everything from the disaster of the Game of Thrones ending, the Star Wars sequels, Doctor Who, JJ Abram’s Star Trek, Terminator Woke Fate…
But if they are trying to appease China, they will hide the ghosts, gays, and black people. How woke could this show be?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:26 am to Esquire
How many times did Disney Star Wars reduce Finn or flat out remove his image from posters or merch?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:34 am to UndercoverBryologist
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But I'm more interested in why you added the "Woke" part to the title.
He oftentimes gets a bad rap on here, but Critical Drinker did a review a year or so ago laying it out pretty well.
LINK
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:30 am to drizztiger
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The sky screaming is mind-numbing. It's the same posters over and over that gravitate to MTV for poli-controversal specific topics, yet never post on MTV otherwise - not the regs mind you. Everyone gets it and I'm not calling it out anymore
100% this.
I go to Pelicans Talk, here, Saints Talk and Gaming Board because it’s the only places left that don’t seem to be overrun with political threads and posts. But it’s starting to happen at those other places too.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:47 am to AURaptor
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How many times did Disney Star Wars reduce Finn or flat out remove his image from posters or merch?
That seems like anti-woke to me
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:16 am to WicKed WayZ
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I go to Pelicans Talk, here, Saints Talk and Gaming Board because it’s the only places left that don’t seem to be overrun with political threads and posts. But it’s starting to happen at those other places too.
Ok...honest question here so take it for what it's worth.
Do you think the fact that virtually all walks of life have become inundated by politics is more to blame for the fact that there is so much cross over on the boards, or do you think there is very little cross over in areas outside of politics (entertainment, sports, etc) and people are just making it up to bring here?
From my perspective, one of the most common refrains at this point is lamenting that we have so few places left where politics have not become ever present. I've been a sports fans all my life and it was a respite from politics mostly...but I'm not the one that turned sports into political theater. The fact that I am bothered by the intrusion of politics into sports and I talk about that IS NOT me bringing politics into sports. It's me responding to it. Same goes for the Entertainment industry. News broke this week that NBC was refusing to televise the Golden Globes...because of politics. Are we not supposed to talk about that on this board? Do we avoid talking about politics on the Sports Board even though the athletes are the ones turning sports on their heads because of their own personal politics?
Trust me...I wish there would be a non-overlapping magesteria between politics and most other things. I just think your anger is misplaced towards the wrong people. Viewers and fans did not bring politics into these arenas...entertainers did. Asking viewers to then sit quietly while what they loved is taken over is placing the blame on the wrong group. I'd love to be able to go back to talking strictly about the topics we all love...but I'm not going to allow topics to go undiscussed simply because entertainers have decided to become activists.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:24 am to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
You might have a point if it weren’t such a common thing on most threads for people to be eager to give the first snarky political reply when there is no discernible political angle (yet). Seems people are eager to turn a lot of threads - that would otherwise be apolitical - political.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 10:26 am
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