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re: Question for vax refusniks
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:15 am to 1BIGTigerFan
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:15 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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1. Yes 2. He's using the actual government numbers. Trust who you want, but anyone pressuring people to take a "vaccine" for a virus that has a 99% survival rate for anyone under 70, must be questioned for why they're pushing so hard?
Well I was talking about people politicizing this thing being bs and we should look at the scientific studies by the fda and cdc. If you trust Tucker over what the fda and cdc say, you obviously view this through a politicized lens. It’s Tucker’s job to say stuff like this to get viewers and ratings. The CDC and FDA who investigate each death afterward and attributed to other things are not looking for viewership and ratings. My whole rant is about people giving bs reasons why the vaccine won’t safe and congrats you accomplished that. Again, you don’t want it, don’t take it, that’s fine. But don’t spout bs justification as to why you won’t.
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:17 am to Bulldogblitz
quote:Death isn't the only potentially severe negative outcome.
I refuse to get flu vaccines as well.
Survival rate is insanely high for this.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:17 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one?
No. My sole interest in the vaccine is the hope that the scared idiots get vaccinated so everything can go back to normal.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:17 am to PentagonTiger
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I can die tomorrow after taking the flu shot but doesn’t mean it killed me.
Just like you can have a heart attack and it be blamed on Corona, right?
See how that works?
Die with Corona in your system, but of a stroke = Corona death
Die a few days after gettin vax from a stroke = you just had a stroke.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:21 am to PentagonTiger
don't get mad at me that the agencies responsible for tracking this shite have a proven track record of being bad faith actors
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:29 am to ClosingTime
My body my choice moron.
Or does that only count when you are killing babies.
Or does that only count when you are killing babies.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:38 am to Robin Masters
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My body my choice moron.
Never said I’m against that. If you read the thread, I actually said it should be personal choice. I said that I think it’s fricking stupid when people try to justify their decision based on false information that they grab from partisan sources or fb posts. The guy above said he trusts Tucker more than our health officials. Can’t do anything about someone wanting to view this thing through a political lens. I’m also not Liberal and am a pro-life Catholic. I’m just tired of people perpetuating lies about the vaccine, mimicking what they read through a partisan vacuum. I understand that some can’t think for themselves and need media personalities to decide for them, that’s their choice. However, to then perpetuate lies to justify their choice is stupid. We should listen to our doctors and to scientists about whether we should take it or not. If afterward, we make a decision not to take then that’s fine because it’s one’s personal choice.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:39 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one?
Nope.
I have had Covid.
I don’t know the the long term effects of getting it, but I didn’t choose to get it either.
As for the vaccine, I have yet to see a study saying it is safe over the long term. People stating that it is safe are basically extrapolating short term data points. That isn’t good enough for me. In short, I don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine therefore, since I have a choice in the matter (unlike actually getting Covid), I will choose to pass on getting one at this time.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:40 am to YumYum Sauce
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Just like you can have a heart attack and it be blamed on Corona, right? See how that works? Die with Corona in your system, but of a stroke = Corona death Die a few days after gettin vax from a stroke = you just had a stroke.
Again, based on my conversation, that’s not how this works. If you read the post again, I explained that. But I can’t help you out if you are determined that’s how doctors determine cause of death.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:41 am to ClosingTime
No. I have decided in the name of equity not to get mine until all minorities, women, and the elderly have gotten theirs.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:45 am to PentagonTiger
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Never said I’m against that. If you read the thread, I actually said it should be personal choice. I said that I think it’s fricking stupid when people try to justify their decision based on false information that they grab from partisan sources or fb posts. The guy above said he trusts Tucker more than our health officials. Can’t do anything about someone wanting to view this thing through a political lens. I’m also not Liberal and am a pro-life Catholic. I’m just tired of people perpetuating lies about the vaccine, mimicking what they read through a partisan vacuum. I understand that some can’t think for themselves and need media personalities to decide for them, that’s their choice. However, to then perpetuate lies to justify their choice is stupid. We should listen to our doctors and to scientists about whether we should take it or not. If afterward, we make a decision not to take then that’s fine because it’s one’s personal choice.
I was responding to OP.
It’s funny that you think you are the arbiter of “truth” and “lies”.
The reality is that people simply don’t feel threatened enough by Covid to take a vaccine. It’s been overhyped for politics. If people felt threatened they would get it. But they don’t.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:46 am to PentagonTiger
why dont you mind your own business and stop worrying about what other people do or dont do? you got the vaccine and you are protected, good for you
as for your claim that the FDA is going to approve vaccines in a month or two I highly doubt it. it is better for the vaccine manufacturers to ride the emergency use approvals as long as the FDA allows because they can continue the liability waivers. if the FDA approves the vaccine, no more liability waiver and the manufacturers are then open to a myriad of lawsuits, whether justified or not.
as for your claim that the FDA is going to approve vaccines in a month or two I highly doubt it. it is better for the vaccine manufacturers to ride the emergency use approvals as long as the FDA allows because they can continue the liability waivers. if the FDA approves the vaccine, no more liability waiver and the manufacturers are then open to a myriad of lawsuits, whether justified or not.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:48 am to PentagonTiger
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Well I was talking about people politicizing this thing being bs and we should look at the scientific studies by the fda and cdc.
no, politicians and the media politicized this, not “people”
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:51 am to PentagonTiger
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Dude, you trust Tucker over the fda authorities who are trained in immunology and have determined the cause of death?
You don’t read good.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:52 am to supatigah
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no, politicians and the media politicized this, not “people”
I agree with and actually agree with what you said in your previous post. I’ve stayed firm on that stance throughout this thread. I only cared about people who posted bullshite links or spread lies about the vaccine. I don’t care if people get it or don’t. I do care when people spread misinformation about the vaccine. There are years I don’t get the flu vaccine because it’s inconvenient, I don’t think I’ll get it, I doubt it’s efficacy, etc. I don’t then go say I didn’t get it because 3,000 people died after getting it. Or I’m not getting it because it alters my genetic makeup. I just get pissed when people decide to spout off lies with no base to make themselves feel better. Again, for the hundredth time, it should be a choice and I don’t care if you get it or not.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:53 am to PentagonTiger
then we are in agreement 
carry on
carry on
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:58 am to PentagonTiger
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no, politicians and the media politicized this, not “people”
I agree with and actually agree with what you said in your previous post. I’ve stayed firm on that stance throughout this thread. I only cared about people who posted bullshite links or spread lies about the vaccine. I don’t care if people get it or don’t. I do care when people spread misinformation about the vaccine. There are years I don’t get the flu vaccine because it’s inconvenient, I don’t think I’ll get it, I doubt it’s efficacy, etc. I don’t then go say I didn’t get it because 3,000 people died after getting it. Or I’m not getting it because it alters my genetic makeup. I just get pissed when people decide to spout off lies with no base to make themselves feel better. Again, for the hundredth time, it should be a choice and I don’t care if you get it or not.
So you agree Covid has been used by bureaucrats as a political fulcrum but you still demand we trust these bureaucrats when they provide guidance on Covid? Bro, you seem like a fairly intelligent individual. Do you really not see the problem here?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:00 am to PentagonTiger
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The CDC and FDA
If you don't think these two politicize everything, you probably believe Fauxi doesn't get kickbacks from Pfizer.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:05 am to ClosingTime
No. Not unless my doctor says I need it.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:06 am to Dandy Chiggins
I agree with you that we can agree to disagree. I do think the cdc can be trusted because of the peer reviewed research that they base their decision on. If you don’t want to trust them that’s fine.
I will disagree that I did a simple google search. In fact, I feel like you may have as I’m familiar with Zak’s talk (I read the study as well) and I know that’s it been fact checked and and assumptions that he was talking about mRNA altering data have been discounted. (See link below)
LINK
What other research have you read that it scrubs DNA? I’m open to dialogue with people that disagree because I think it broadens horizons. I have a few studies that I can share that show in no way it alters dna and we can compare them if you want.
I will disagree that I did a simple google search. In fact, I feel like you may have as I’m familiar with Zak’s talk (I read the study as well) and I know that’s it been fact checked and and assumptions that he was talking about mRNA altering data have been discounted. (See link below)
LINK
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According to the article, evidence of the claim in the headline can be traced back to Zaks giving a TedTalk in 2017 (here). It specifically points to Zaks’ turns of phrase such as: “We are actually hacking the software of life” and: “We think about it as an operating system. So if you could actually change that… if you could introduce a line of code, or change a line of code, it turns out it has profound implications for everything.” After quoting Zaks (here), the article then makes its own conclusion: “When ‘changing’ a line of code or ‘introducing’ a line of code (referring to DNA), the ‘code’ or DNA is then altered, meaning the individual or ‘subject’ has now had their genome changed to what the ‘scientists’ have coded. The individual or subject is no longer a creation of God but a creation of man, meaning the individual or subject could be the object of a ‘patent’.” This is not true. It is a conclusion based off a misrepresentation of quotes made by Zaks, who at no point in his TedTalk says mRNA vaccines will change a person’s DNA. In fact, his explanation and diagram of an mRNA flu vaccination at work demonstrates the opposite.
What other research have you read that it scrubs DNA? I’m open to dialogue with people that disagree because I think it broadens horizons. I have a few studies that I can share that show in no way it alters dna and we can compare them if you want.
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