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re: Question for vax refusniks
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:48 am to EllisD
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:48 am to EllisD
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i refuse to get it because the % vaccinated number will help biden politically
And that's the main issue with all of this. A vaccine that has been proven effective has been politicized. And not by one side, but by both. Studies have shown its effectiveness yet some people can't look past politics and that is a bipartisan thing.
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:50 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one? Or does it go deeper than that?
you created this shite mult for this post?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:51 am to Damone
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Putting your own health at risk to own the Libs
As opposed to libs who put the entire country's health at risk to get Trump.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:52 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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This Vax shaming is odd. On this one, if the Vax works as the government claims, you pro Vax people should be golden. No matter what non Vaxers do, you're protected. So why is everyone so triggered that some don't want it, when it won't affect those that do, at all?
I agree with this. I don't agree with conspiracy theorists perpetuating lies about the vaccine as justification for them not getting it. It should be your choice but don't try to justify being anti-vax with bullshite reasoning. If you don't want it, that's fine but don't cite some bullshite past on fb or a partisan website as why you won't.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:53 am to ClosingTime
Covid vax is an unknown. I’m at very little risk if I get Covid. I’ll take my chances.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:54 am to ClosingTime
Choice
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:55 am to ClosingTime
Ot afraid of the Wuhan. Why do I need a vaccine?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:55 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one?
Or does it go deeper than that?
Let me be real clear, I do not allow experimental drugs to be used on me willingly. I also do not allow drugs rushed through a process to be used on me.
End of story.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:59 am to ClosingTime
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Or does it go deeper than that?
I rarely believe ANYTHING that ANY gov't official has to say on ANY subject. The more they repeat it, the less likely it is to be true or in my best interest. We should all be highly concerned about the efforts the federal gov't is going through to SELL this vaccine to us.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:02 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I do not allow experimental drugs to be used on me willingly. I also do not allow drugs rushed through a process to be used on me.
It is perfectly fine that you don't want it. That is your choice, but to perpetuate this lie is bs. You know it is planned to be granted full use authorization within a month? Will you take it then? You know we already have more trial participants starting from last July to have more info on its effectiveness and safety than other drugs that have been grant full use authorization in the past? You realize that the reason they were able to develop and test the vaccine faster than normal was no bureaucratic red tape and literally a global scientific community focused on the same problem. If you don't want it, that's fine and totally your choice But to justify yourself by spreading bs is fricking stupid and it's just mimicking what you have other people say.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:04 am to Damone
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Putting your own health at risk to own the Libs
they put our country at risk because orange man bad
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:04 am to PentagonTiger
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You know it is planned to be granted full use authorization within a month? Will you take it then?
I don’t use all meds that are approved by the FDA. They’re not a substitute for our own evaluation process of what is best for our own individual self.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:07 am to PentagonTiger
It's still an experimental drug. Even in your post, you claim full authorization is a month or more away. So why not wait and ask him then?
You are also aware that more than 3,000 people have died from taking the vaccine? That's more than any other vaccine in the last 50 years. So why should anyone with a 99% survival rate get this at all? Let the old people that are vulnerable, or the the ones that are scared, get it and they don't have to worry what others do.
You are also aware that more than 3,000 people have died from taking the vaccine? That's more than any other vaccine in the last 50 years. So why should anyone with a 99% survival rate get this at all? Let the old people that are vulnerable, or the the ones that are scared, get it and they don't have to worry what others do.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:07 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one?
Or does it go deeper than that?
Much deeper.
1. I firmly believe the wife had it in January of 2020 (symptoms of loss of taste and smell, flu-like symptoms, couldn't seem to get warm, persistent cough which lasted for a month or two after). Since the docs at that time had no idea what to look for they tested her for the flu but did not find it. They told her it was "some sort of viral-bacterial infection, but not the flu", gave her some anti-biotics and I think a steroid shot and sent her home. A week later she was fine (except for the lingering cough).
2. With the R0 of this thing I most likely had it and fought it off with no effects (as most do).
3. The FDA has not approved any of the vaccines for general use yet, only approved them for special, emergency use.
When I get the flu vaccine I'm usually off work for close to a week due to my body taking it like the actual live virus. When I don't get the flu vaccine I rarely get the flu. For me, the odds are better for me to not get the flu vaccine. This puts point #3 as a very important one for me.
Points 1 & 2 go to simple biology and the very basics of human immunology. I firmly believe my body has proven its ability to fight off the disease so going to get a vaccine, for me, would be a useless endeavor for the sake of nothing more than fear-induced crowd-following (or at least peer-pressure).
These aren't blanket statements for anyone else, just myself.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:07 am to PentagonTiger
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And that's the main issue with all of this. A vaccine that has been proven effective has been politicized. And not by one side, but by both. Studies have shown its effectiveness yet some people can't look past politics and that is a bipartisan thing.
our country can't do a health crisis because a majority of people have no confidence or trust in the institutions responsible for planning a response to it
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:11 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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You are also aware that more than 3,000 people have died from taking the vaccine?
Link? I have only heard of a single death attributed to JJ and zero deaths attributed to Phizer or Moderna. So you know of 2,999 deaths that I’m unaware of. FDA in their audit of the vaccines only attribute a single death to the vaccines (that JJ death). Do you have anything proving otherwise?
It’s this exact kind of bs that’s fricking stupid. You don’t want it, don’t take it. But for the love of god, stop perpetuating bs lies.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:13 am to PentagonTiger
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Link? I have only heard of a single death attributed to JJ and zero deaths attributed to Phizer or Moderna. So you know of 2,999 deaths that I’m unaware of. FDA in their audit of the vaccines only attribute a single death to the vaccines (that JJ death). Do you have anything proving otherwise?
imagine trusting statistics from government institutions
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:16 am to the808bass
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I don’t use all meds that are approved by the FDA. They’re not a substitute for our own evaluation process of what is best for our own individual self.
Perfectly reasonable answer and I respect it. It should be up to individual choice. It’s the bs lies and “rushed” idea that’s stupid. We have more data on this thing than most that are authorized. And it was rushed bc of the money and lack of bureaucratic red tape (thanks to Trump and Operation Warp Speed)
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:18 am to EllisD
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imagine trusting statistics from government institutions
Imagine trusting no one and claiming anything that doesn’t fit your narrative or beliefs can’t be trusted. That must be a very easy out. Whelp, doesn’t fit what I believe so it can’t be trusted. Let me guess, you’ll run and share a fb link that shares your opinion but won’t trust researchers and doctors who are trained in immunology and have been working on it for years.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:18 am to PentagonTiger
Which part is false? It is experimental, it was rushed through development.
It takes one woman 9 months to have a baby, 9 women can't have a baby in a month and in vaccine development there is similar constraints. Just because a lot of the scientific community was focused on it doesn't mean there aren't risks to this vaccine that will be uncovered with time. The time that the normal process allows for.
Add to that the risk/reward equation of a fairly harmless to me virus and it is absolutely not worth it.
The one spreading BS is you saying it is definitely safe when we don't know that for sure, but because the government says it is safe you believe it.
It takes one woman 9 months to have a baby, 9 women can't have a baby in a month and in vaccine development there is similar constraints. Just because a lot of the scientific community was focused on it doesn't mean there aren't risks to this vaccine that will be uncovered with time. The time that the normal process allows for.
Add to that the risk/reward equation of a fairly harmless to me virus and it is absolutely not worth it.
The one spreading BS is you saying it is definitely safe when we don't know that for sure, but because the government says it is safe you believe it.
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