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re: Question for vax refusniks
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:07 am to PentagonTiger
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:07 am to PentagonTiger
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I only cared about people who posted bullshite links or spread lies about the vaccine.
So you're smart enough to know who's telling the truth and who isn't? I doubt that. If Tucker says he's using government numbers, then prove him wrong. The two agencies you mentioned have proved time and time again that they're political in most of their decision making.
I'm not against someone taking it, but to just say any source you disagree with is wrong and your source is right, isn't how society works this day and age.
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 11:09 am
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:11 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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f you don't think these two politicize everything, you probably believe Fauxi doesn't get kickbacks from Pfizer.
Fauci is the head of NIAID has nothing to with the CDC or FDA. In fact, he has disagreed with them on many occasions. Again, if you think all government agencies are grabbags, and everything is a conspiracy, I don’t know what to you. I like to think that organizations that employ multiple scientists so that they can have an array of opinions before making decisions can be believed.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:12 am to PentagonTiger
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I like to think that organizations that employ multiple scientists so that they can have an array of opinions before making decisions can be believed.
I used to think so too.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:14 am to PentagonTiger
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I like to think that organizations that employ multiple scientists so that they can have an array of opinions before making decisions can be believed.
but bureaucrats are ultimately in charge and bureaucrats make political decisions
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:14 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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If Tucker says he's using government numbers, then prove him wrong.
He did say they were government numbers but he nothing to support that they were in fact tied to vaccines. He said that it was suspicious and simple as that. He didn’t say anything about the FDA and CDC attributing only one death to an American approved vaccine. Again, you can chose to go against these two organizations that are extremely conservative and cautious in the processes, it’s why vaccines are always granted EUA faster in other countries than in the US. The FDA takes considerable more time in reviewing and deliberating the data produced under trials. Almost to a fault actually.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:16 am to ClosingTime
It's a risk calculation for me. AND NO . . . I don't give a damn about getting vaccinated "for my community".
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:17 am to PentagonTiger
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Fauci is the head of NIAID has nothing to with the CDC or FDA.
Lol.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:17 am to PentagonTiger
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He did say they were government numbers but he nothing to support that they were in fact tied to vaccines.
Ummm... what?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:20 am to supatigah
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but bureaucrats are ultimately in charge and bureaucrats make political decisions
Again, if you feel like the experts in these organizations are manipulated by whatever administration is in charge, then we will have to agree to disagree. However, the FDA and CDC are separate and make decisions a part from each other and actually have had differing opinions then Fauci who is tied in with the past two administrations. the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) That makes decisions on granting EUA and ultimately full authorization are a group of nongovernmental scientists who advise the fda in whether a vaccine should be approved. So, they aren’t bureaucrats. They vote on whether something by should be granted approval and then the fda acts on their recommendation. So I do trust their opinions over politicians.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:22 am to the808bass
Sorry for the typo. He had no proof that the deaths can be attributed to vaccines. He even said that it could be coincidence but that he was suspicious. Which he can say and feel; however, the agencies that advise American society have investigated and attributed no cause of death to the vaccines, save 1 death to JJ. I trust the scientists who work in these cases over Tucker’s assumptions but that’s just me.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:25 am to ClosingTime
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:26 am to PentagonTiger
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Again, you can chose to go against these two organizations that are extremely conservative and cautious in the processes, it’s why vaccines are always granted EUA
LINK
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CDC employees' political donations went overwhelmingly to left-leaning recipients, report says
It’s pretty apparent you are just talking out of your arse.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:28 am to PentagonTiger
Why do you call them conservative?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:29 am to PentagonTiger
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He had no proof that the deaths can be attributed to vaccines.
So, Tucker is counting vaccine deaths the same way the CDC is counting Covid deaths.
Note that in my original post about vaccine deaths, I didn’t say caused by the vaccine. I said vaccine related.
Comparing VAERS reports from this year to previous years reports on VAERS is a completely valid data point. Does it need more context and investigation? Sure. Is it a data point worth discussing? Sure. Why will no one have the discussion? If it was a pain med or a blood pressure med we would be having the discussion (and the drug would be under evaluation by the FDA and it might have a black box warning).
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:29 am to Eurocat
Salon again? What’s wrong with you people?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:30 am to Robin Masters
Public health officials are Democrats 99.5% of the time. The other .5% are chemically sedated.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:32 am to roadGator
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Why do you call them conservative?
Not in the political sense, just more conservative in what they are willing to grant approval in comparison to other countries’ equivalent bodies.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:32 am to PentagonTiger
Gotcha
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:33 am to roadGator
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Salon again? What’s wrong with you people?
I’m with you on that. From the jump I’ve said it’s bs to link partisan articles as justification.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:36 am to PentagonTiger
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I’m with you on that. From the jump I’ve said it’s bs to link partisan articles as justification.
Right, but an agency that is overwhelming partisan is beyond reproach in your world.
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