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Let’s discuss the housing market
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:07 pm
I know there is a thread on the money board about this but I wanna get into the politics of it without corrupting that thread.
This has got to be the most competitive market to buy a house in that anybody has seen. My real estate agent has been doing this for 33 years and has never seen anything like it. Houses go on the market and in 2 days will have 10-20 offers, site unseen, and full closing.
What is going on? Inventory is low and that could mean people are afraid to sell because of the direction of America. Are people trying to lock in a low rate before it gets jacked up again? Are people trying to get what they consider a good payment before hyperinflation kicks in? Could it be people are fleeing blue states to red states? I don’t believe this one because I’ve read that the market is like this everywhere.
I think it’s a combination people are trying to get locked in on a low rate before they are raised (I believe forbearance ends in September) and want a decent payment before inflation hits hard.
This has got to be the most competitive market to buy a house in that anybody has seen. My real estate agent has been doing this for 33 years and has never seen anything like it. Houses go on the market and in 2 days will have 10-20 offers, site unseen, and full closing.
What is going on? Inventory is low and that could mean people are afraid to sell because of the direction of America. Are people trying to lock in a low rate before it gets jacked up again? Are people trying to get what they consider a good payment before hyperinflation kicks in? Could it be people are fleeing blue states to red states? I don’t believe this one because I’ve read that the market is like this everywhere.
I think it’s a combination people are trying to get locked in on a low rate before they are raised (I believe forbearance ends in September) and want a decent payment before inflation hits hard.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:10 pm to olemc999
Low mortgage interest rates (still well below 3% in many areas) generating high demand combined with relatively low supply and the price of materials spiking (particularly lumbar).
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:16 pm to olemc999
quote:Up north, in old steel mill depressed towns... that you couldn't pay someone to buy not long ago.
and has never seen anything like it. Houses go on the market and in 2 days will have 10-20 offers, site unseen, and full closing.
Overnight the houses jacked up in price and have 7 to 8 in bidding wars for an over priced house.
People are offering 50K over asking, no inspection, now going into offering to pay full closing.
I always compare to my first VA home loan. They want so much to close on a house today. And home inspectors are a rip off as well. It is just a negotiating tool.
If people knew to check the air handler serial number age, roof, foundation for cracks, age of furnace, and water heater, they could save so much money. But people are stupid.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:24 pm to olemc999
Building materials shortage.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:41 pm to olemc999
I also think a lot of people are working from home now and have made it a permanent thing, never to return to their office in the cities. Care more about where and in what they reside, moving out to the suburbs, etc.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:42 pm to olemc999
I work with real estate valuation. It's a perfect storm:
-price of lumber on the cost side
-insanely low interest rates boosting demand
-insufficient inventory due to slow permitting for new construction in the years following the financial crisis
-pent up demand from previously unqualified or cautious buyers after the financial crisis
-some fear of rates going up
I'm probably forgetting some things, but these are the ones that immediately come to mind.
These list-to-price ratios and bidding wars are unsustainable in the long run. The problem is nobody has the crystal ball to say when the tide will turn.
I've had agents and appraisers who are close to retirement tell me they've never seen a market like this. There aren't enough appraisers and attorneys in our markets to meet demand. Closings are scheduling 6+ weeks out.
-price of lumber on the cost side
-insanely low interest rates boosting demand
-insufficient inventory due to slow permitting for new construction in the years following the financial crisis
-pent up demand from previously unqualified or cautious buyers after the financial crisis
-some fear of rates going up
I'm probably forgetting some things, but these are the ones that immediately come to mind.
These list-to-price ratios and bidding wars are unsustainable in the long run. The problem is nobody has the crystal ball to say when the tide will turn.
I've had agents and appraisers who are close to retirement tell me they've never seen a market like this. There aren't enough appraisers and attorneys in our markets to meet demand. Closings are scheduling 6+ weeks out.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:42 pm to olemc999
I bought my place 5 years ago for 144, I saw a comparable, without updates, almost 100k more. I made a post on FB asking similar question and had interest. I was shocked.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:45 pm to olemc999
People fleeing New York and California.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:49 pm to olemc999
1. Low interest rates
2. Urban sprawl (people leaving cities because of work from home)
3. Lumber and Steel shortage in the supply chain due to COVID which means few new builds/inventory
4. Millennials finally having the financial means to buy
5. Refinancing has people staying put in their current properties
It’s the perfect storm.
2. Urban sprawl (people leaving cities because of work from home)
3. Lumber and Steel shortage in the supply chain due to COVID which means few new builds/inventory
4. Millennials finally having the financial means to buy
5. Refinancing has people staying put in their current properties
It’s the perfect storm.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:02 pm to olemc999
Definitely a bubble.
Don't forget to factor in people not selling because they don't see value in selling, and buying local. Yeah it's a good deal for migrants from CA, etc, but not really for people wanting to stay nearby. Unless willing to put stuff in storage, rent, and wait for the bubble to bust.
Don't forget to factor in people not selling because they don't see value in selling, and buying local. Yeah it's a good deal for migrants from CA, etc, but not really for people wanting to stay nearby. Unless willing to put stuff in storage, rent, and wait for the bubble to bust.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:08 pm to olemc999
Just sold my folks house. It was on the market for 5 and a half hours. Built in 1962 with 1721 living area. Had 3 offers and we sold it for 11K over the asking price. Couldn't believe it. Unreal how expensive the old houses are but more so on how expensive it is to build an new one!
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:49 pm to olemc999
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What is going on?
Building a home is too expensive right now
A house with my floor plan in my neighborhood with no updates in 20 years just sold a couple weeks ago for 40% more than I paid for my home 3 years ago. I’ve seen houses that were built for $200-250k in the 90s going for $100k over listing price in the $800k range. The current market just isn’t sustainable. Sure, it’s a great market to sell, but where exactly are you supposed to find a new home to buy if you sell? Our neighbors who just had an unexpected kid (they already had 4) can’t find a home anywhere. They keep getting outbid. It’s insane.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:28 am to olemc999
Low interest rates plus multiple stimulus payments.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:20 am to olemc999
we bought a house and close next week
when we were looking, not a thing anywhere that we wanted. out realtor even said she was practically knocking on doors to see if people wanted to sell their house. I thought she was kidding.
but I will say, the past few weeks I have noticed tons more for sale signs around town.
the next couple months could be interesting
when we were looking, not a thing anywhere that we wanted. out realtor even said she was practically knocking on doors to see if people wanted to sell their house. I thought she was kidding.
but I will say, the past few weeks I have noticed tons more for sale signs around town.
the next couple months could be interesting
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:27 am to olemc999
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What is going on?
People holding savings in dollars know that printing money in two trillion dollar lots, and throwing it out of helicopters to anyone with a pulse degrades the value of said dollars, so they want to move said dollars into a vehicle less rapable. And this administration is raping those with dollars.
So, on to real estate.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:32 am to olemc999
All good points mentioned. Perfect storm seems very true.
But think of what the PANDEMIC actually created...
For many months, building, buying, sales & PRODUCTION on all levels of the supply chain went to close to ZERO. We have never experienced such an occurrence to rebound from. Now demand is way greater than the supply of homes.
But think of what the PANDEMIC actually created...
For many months, building, buying, sales & PRODUCTION on all levels of the supply chain went to close to ZERO. We have never experienced such an occurrence to rebound from. Now demand is way greater than the supply of homes.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:33 am to olemc999
Government buying houses to stuff illegals in
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:39 am to olemc999
Covid created a shift in how people are living and working
The work from home thing is likely going to stay in some form.
That means people can move from an urban area to a sub or rural area and do their job.
Interest rates are low enough to keep the money flowing.
Building costs are at historic highs. Lumber just hit an all time high this week. Other building materials are high too.(metals, cement). Then there’s a shortage of appliances and other materials... it can be a pain in the arse to build.
Then there’s the opportunistic selling going on. I saw some recent houses go on the market just because neighbors got historically high prices. Still though, house inventory is below demand. Agents are knocking on doors now to see if people want to sell. Last time I saw that was 06.
I think the only thing that can slow the pace is a correction in the cost to build and/or an interest rate hike but I don’t see much chance of the latter.
I thought building costs would drop as we got out of covid but they’re still very high. It’s unsustainable though and will correct. That will give buyers some options.
The outlier would be some bump in the economy and we might see something along those lines but I don’t see it anytime soon.
The work from home thing is likely going to stay in some form.
That means people can move from an urban area to a sub or rural area and do their job.
Interest rates are low enough to keep the money flowing.
Building costs are at historic highs. Lumber just hit an all time high this week. Other building materials are high too.(metals, cement). Then there’s a shortage of appliances and other materials... it can be a pain in the arse to build.
Then there’s the opportunistic selling going on. I saw some recent houses go on the market just because neighbors got historically high prices. Still though, house inventory is below demand. Agents are knocking on doors now to see if people want to sell. Last time I saw that was 06.
I think the only thing that can slow the pace is a correction in the cost to build and/or an interest rate hike but I don’t see much chance of the latter.
I thought building costs would drop as we got out of covid but they’re still very high. It’s unsustainable though and will correct. That will give buyers some options.
The outlier would be some bump in the economy and we might see something along those lines but I don’t see it anytime soon.
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