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re: Bob Weir... greatest rhythm guitar player ever? I’m starting to think so.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:01 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:01 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
The Grateful Dead are in every way a more significant band in American music history than is/was Metallica.
This comment is historically comical.
You cant be serious. From a historical and cultural stand point, the grateful dead blow metallica out the water.
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:43 pm to cgrand
quote:I might try to make this!
June 12 – Vail, CO – Gerald R. Ford Amphitheater
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:19 pm to rutiger
quote:
The Grateful Dead are in every way a more significant band in American music history than is/was Metallica.
This comment is historically comical.
You cant be serious. From a historical and cultural stand point, the grateful dead blow metallica out the water.
Ironically both are San Fran bands and each have their own cultural impact. I'm not sure which one is bigger than the other. Both are pretty massive. It's like asking did a red delicious apple have a bigger impact on the fruit world than a Valencia orange.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:38 pm to Crow Pie
presale opens 10am on thursday.
i'm gonna try to get tix to both vail shows...red rocks shows are mid-week, not gonna happen
although DEN>red rocks>vail>DEN loop would be a pretty sweet weeklong vacation
i'm gonna try to get tix to both vail shows...red rocks shows are mid-week, not gonna happen
although DEN>red rocks>vail>DEN loop would be a pretty sweet weeklong vacation
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:27 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
The Dead weren’t a commercial band and the live recordings they let fans tape and trade for free don’t count toward “going platinum.” Take whatever amount Metallica made from each album sale and tabulate that figure for the Dead multiplied by how many live bootlegs have been distributed among Deadheads, which the Dead received no compensation for, and which weren’t tracked by the record industry, and that figure would dwarf whatever Metallica made.
If we had a competition to come up with examples of other musicians covering Dead songs vs. other musicians covering Metallica songs, the Dead would win in a landslide. They’ll be playing Garcia-Hunter tunes a hundred years from now just like they’re still playing Robert Johnson tunes today.
Here’s another crazy metric: I’ll bet more people hate the Dead who never heard their music than there are people who hate Metallica without ever hearing theirs. Let that sink in. Har har, don’t take the brown acid! Metallica isn’t significant enough for me to make a snarky, snide comment like that about them.
Poll a bunch of musicians and ask them who influenced them more, Metallica or the Dead, and the Dead would win. In fact the Dead probably influenced Metallica in many ways you’re not aware of. Google “Owlsley Stanley.” He did a lot more than just make really good acid. (Which he practically gave away to prevent anyone from turning it into a cartel.) Look at his influence on speakers, amplification, and recording technology. Have you ever noticed how everybody uses the in-ear monitoring system these days? The Dead were pioneers in using that technology. The funny thing about the Dead is that they’re probably more respected by other bands like, say, Metallica, than are the hardcore fans of those bands.
If we had a competition to come up with examples of other musicians covering Dead songs vs. other musicians covering Metallica songs, the Dead would win in a landslide. They’ll be playing Garcia-Hunter tunes a hundred years from now just like they’re still playing Robert Johnson tunes today.
Here’s another crazy metric: I’ll bet more people hate the Dead who never heard their music than there are people who hate Metallica without ever hearing theirs. Let that sink in. Har har, don’t take the brown acid! Metallica isn’t significant enough for me to make a snarky, snide comment like that about them.
Poll a bunch of musicians and ask them who influenced them more, Metallica or the Dead, and the Dead would win. In fact the Dead probably influenced Metallica in many ways you’re not aware of. Google “Owlsley Stanley.” He did a lot more than just make really good acid. (Which he practically gave away to prevent anyone from turning it into a cartel.) Look at his influence on speakers, amplification, and recording technology. Have you ever noticed how everybody uses the in-ear monitoring system these days? The Dead were pioneers in using that technology. The funny thing about the Dead is that they’re probably more respected by other bands like, say, Metallica, than are the hardcore fans of those bands.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 3:50 pm to Treacherous Cretin
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Poll a bunch of musicians and ask them who influenced them more, Metallica or the Dead, and the Dead would win.
That is just not true. There a genres of music that were created because of Metallica’s influence. Not everywhere is like Athens, Georgia, or Portland, Oregon. Rock is king in almost all (if not all) of the countries in Europe and South America and in Australia and New Zealand and very popular in some of the Asian countries, and Metallica are gods in all of those countries/continents. You can’t even begin compare the Grateful Dead’s popularity and influence to Metallica’s, nowhere near each other.
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If we had a competition to come up with examples of other musicians covering Dead songs vs. other musicians covering Metallica songs, the Dead would win in a landslide. They’ll be playing Garcia-Hunter tunes a hundred years from now just like they’re still playing Robert Johnson tunes today.
Once again, not everywhere is Athens, Georgia, or Portland, Oregon. There are bands all over the world covering Metallica songs.
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The Dead weren’t a commercial band and the live recordings they let fans tape and trade for free don’t count toward “going platinum.” Take whatever amount Metallica made from each album sale and tabulate that figure for the Dead multiplied by how many live bootlegs have been distributed among Deadheads, which the Dead received no compensation for, and which weren’t tracked by the record industry, and that figure would dwarf whatever Metallica made.
Metallica became world famous and were selling out arenas without making any videos or having very little radio play because of worldwide tape trading and playing festivals.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 4:59 pm to Tigerhalen
You realize the Dead played rock, right? What “genres” did Metallica create in America or anywhere else? Are you saying Metallica is big in Vietnam? The Dead sort of had some obstacles to playing there during their heyday. Lulz.
When Lars Ulrich dies, it’s not going to make the news the way it did when Jerry died. (Is he the most prominent member of the band? That’s the only name I’ve ever been familiar with. I’ve never actually met a Metallica fan in real life and I’ve known a lot of musicians.)
The Dead have a worldwide following too. I’m not sure if we have a reliable way to determine who in Australia, New Zealand, or South America bought more Metallica albums vs. how many Dead tapes they collected. Are there thousands of Metallica shows up on archive.org that fans around the globe can download for free? I don’t know. Is there any reason to want to listen to every show Metallica played during any given tour?
Lars has respect for the Dead:
Metallica: ‘We model our existence on the Grateful Dead’
And the post-Jerry members of the Dead covered a Metallica tune:
About The Night The Dead Covered Metallica
There’s an album called Deadicated that’s made up of Dead covers by other bands. One of the best on the album is by Jane’s Addiction. I searched to see if there was a similar tribute album for Metallica but all I found was an album Metallica made covering the work of other artists. Why do you suppose that is?
It’s not a competition. It’s just reality.
Deadicated
Donald Fagen covered Shakedown
I mean, if you want to go with a covers war, we can go.
When Lars Ulrich dies, it’s not going to make the news the way it did when Jerry died. (Is he the most prominent member of the band? That’s the only name I’ve ever been familiar with. I’ve never actually met a Metallica fan in real life and I’ve known a lot of musicians.)
The Dead have a worldwide following too. I’m not sure if we have a reliable way to determine who in Australia, New Zealand, or South America bought more Metallica albums vs. how many Dead tapes they collected. Are there thousands of Metallica shows up on archive.org that fans around the globe can download for free? I don’t know. Is there any reason to want to listen to every show Metallica played during any given tour?
Lars has respect for the Dead:
Metallica: ‘We model our existence on the Grateful Dead’
And the post-Jerry members of the Dead covered a Metallica tune:
About The Night The Dead Covered Metallica
There’s an album called Deadicated that’s made up of Dead covers by other bands. One of the best on the album is by Jane’s Addiction. I searched to see if there was a similar tribute album for Metallica but all I found was an album Metallica made covering the work of other artists. Why do you suppose that is?
It’s not a competition. It’s just reality.
Deadicated
Donald Fagen covered Shakedown
I mean, if you want to go with a covers war, we can go.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 5:00 pm to Tigerhalen
I suppose a better way to edit a triple post would be to post this cover of Ripple by Chris Hillman of The Byrds and the Flying Burrito Brothers.
Chris Hillman - Ripple
(Jane’s Addiction’s cover was better and more innovative because it was set to the beat of The Other One.)
Chris Hillman - Ripple
(Jane’s Addiction’s cover was better and more innovative because it was set to the beat of The Other One.)
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 6:15 pm to Treacherous Cretin
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What “genres” did Metallica create in America or anywhere else?
They pretty much created thrash metal. Nu metal, death metal, and groove metal grew out of death metal. Grunge was also influenced by thrash. They were far and away the greatest influence of Scandinavian metal. Almost every hard rock band, from all over the world, that has come about since the late 80s has been influenced by Metallica.
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When Lars Ulrich dies, it’s not going to make the news the way it did when Jerry died. (Is he the most prominent member of the band? That’s the only name I’ve ever been familiar with. I’ve never actually met a Metallica fan in real life and I’ve known a lot of musicians.)
Yes, it will make news all over the world. He is Danish, by the way. Name me another living drummer that is as famous? It will also make world-wide news when James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett die.
Like I said, not everywhere is Athens, GA, and Portland, OR, with a bunch of hippies running around worshipping the Dead.
There are plenty of Metallica tribute albums or song covers on YouTube. You realize how tribute albums work right? The record company and/or band management ask bands if they will participate.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 8:13 am
Posted on 4/28/21 at 6:23 pm to Tigerhalen
quote:
Name me another living drummer that is as famous?
Ringo Starr.
What do I win?
Posted on 4/28/21 at 6:45 pm to Ace Midnight
I’ll concede Ringo.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 11:19 am to Treacherous Cretin
quote:
The Dead have a worldwide following too. I’m not sure if we have a reliable way to determine who in Australia, New Zealand, or South America bought more Metallica albums vs. how many Dead tapes they collected. Are there thousands of Metallica shows up on archive.org that fans around the globe can download for free? I don’t know. Is there any reason to want to listen to every show Metallica played during any given tour?
“The set that is remembered the most out of this event is Metallica’s. It was here that the estimated 1.5 million people showed up, causing chaos for the Soviet guards who were at the event.5 Video footage shows helicopters flying close to the crowd, trying to settle down the rowdy fans.”
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29 million views of one song of the concert
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A comparison of tribute albums
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Metallica’s MTV Icon Award Ceremony
LINK
Album sales
Metallica: 18 albums that have sold 125 million worldwide, 65 million in the US
Grateful Dead: over 200 albums that have sold 35 million worldwide
YouTube views
Metallica: Billions, and one video alone has over 900 million views
Grateful Dead: The most views I see for one video is 13 million
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:33 pm to Crow Pie
quote:
Bob Weir... greatest rhythm guitar player ever?
Love good rhythm guitar, I'm more a Pete Townshend/Keith Richards/Jimmy Page guy but would love to check Bob out more
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:30 pm to Crow Pie
quote:
I might try to make this!
you get your tix?
took a while but i finally got thru
Posted on 4/29/21 at 3:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:To be honest some of his work is not traditional "rhythm guitar" as much as sidekick and set up man to Jerry Garcia. Some of his "obscure rhythm riffs" actually has a subtle lead vibe to it.
Love good rhythm guitar, I'm more a Pete Townshend/Keith Richards/Jimmy Page guy but would love to check Bob out more
Regardless of that, it was his ability to set the table for Jerry to do Jerry thing, write songs, sing and be a stable bandmate in turbulent times was the reason I started this thread.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 3:40 pm to Crow Pie
quote:I thought they went on sale on the 30th?
you get your tix?
took a while but i finally got thru
Posted on 4/29/21 at 3:51 pm to Crow Pie
presale today
go here, use WOLFBROS or BBWCO as the code
LINK
i had to keep trying but eventually i got them
NM:
go here, use WOLFBROS or BBWCO as the code
LINK
i had to keep trying but eventually i got them
NM:
quote:
THE PRE-SALE IS SOLD OUT, BUT MORE TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC ON-SALE FRIDAY, APRIL 30 AT 10AM MT.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 3:57 pm to cgrand
just saw that....logistically and financially challenging because I'm going on a week long vacation mid May but you gotta do more than dream to have sunshine daydreams!
Posted on 4/29/21 at 4:03 pm to Crow Pie
dude after this past year i am front & center, no matter what. i held my nose and booked mexico today too
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:40 pm to cgrand
I’m trying to hit red rocks. Saw him w wolf bros here at the casino and really liked it.
The Saenger show from a few years back started with him solo. Music never stopped was off the charts. Second song, all him. Dude is a fricking og of rock n roll. I’m happy to have any opportunity to see him or any of the other olds that are still playing. The alternative is for an incredible catalog of music, which makes up the soundtrack of my life, die. That’d be sad. We need songs to fill the air.
Saenger show
The Saenger show from a few years back started with him solo. Music never stopped was off the charts. Second song, all him. Dude is a fricking og of rock n roll. I’m happy to have any opportunity to see him or any of the other olds that are still playing. The alternative is for an incredible catalog of music, which makes up the soundtrack of my life, die. That’d be sad. We need songs to fill the air.
Saenger show
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