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re: Bob Weir... greatest rhythm guitar player ever? I’m starting to think so.
Posted on 4/24/21 at 8:14 pm to midnight1961
Posted on 4/24/21 at 8:14 pm to midnight1961
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Malcom Young would definitely be my pick for best rhythm guitarist. He came up with some of the best riffs in rock, and was happy to let his brother Angus become a guitar God, while he was more or less behind the scenes. As great as Angus is, I think it's the rhythm guitar, bass and drums that make me like AC/DC so much...that and Bon Scott.
If you dig around you can find some old audio clips of Malcolm playing lead guitar, it’s clear Angus was influenced by big brother.
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Posted on 4/24/21 at 10:28 pm to cgrand
quote:Agreed. Listen to the complexity and interface here:
I agree that Bobby is the GOAT
here’s a couple more examples:
the outro jam in he’s gone from 72-74
the middle jam in both China>rider and GSET same era
the counter melody in going down the road, same era. You will be astounded at what he can play and how he can play it
He's Gone 02/23/74
China/Rider 04/26/1974
GDTR 4/261972
This post was edited on 4/25/21 at 12:14 am
Posted on 4/25/21 at 8:19 am to Crow Pie
also, playing in the band is an excellent example of Bobby carrying the primary melody while playing “rhythm guitar”. The chords you associate with that song are played by Bobby while Jerry floats across the top adding accent and Phil provides counter melody
try the versions from 72 and 73 first
try the versions from 72 and 73 first
Posted on 4/25/21 at 10:07 am to cgrand
71 was the year that bob really started influencing the bands sound as he co wrote a bunch of new songs, starting playing a bunch of country covers, and came in to his own as a guitarist. Also his Gibson sounded great next to Jerry’s stratocaster
try out this from summer 1971 (road trips release)
LINK
try out this from summer 1971 (road trips release)
LINK
Posted on 4/25/21 at 4:09 pm to Crow Pie
James Hetfield laughs at this thread. I'm not a huge Metallica fan, but that dude carries the beat for one of the most popular bands of all time.
Posted on 4/25/21 at 4:50 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:Could there be a more opposite comparison. The Dead- the true Masters of sunshine, love and free music vs Metallica - Kings of darkness, anger and lawsuits against free music!!
James Hetfield laughs at this thread. I'm not a huge Metallica fan, but that dude carries the beat for one of the most popular bands of all time.
Give me Sunshine Daydreams all day every day!!!
This post was edited on 4/25/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 4/25/21 at 6:38 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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but that dude carries the beat for one of the most popular bands of all time.
so does/did bob weir. The Grateful Dead are in every way a more significant band in American music history than is/was Metallica. You can believe Hetfield was a better player but that has nothing to do with how popular either band was
Posted on 4/25/21 at 6:40 pm to cgrand
crow pie I thought of another outstanding example of Bobby’s prowess. The acoustic sets that began the warfield and radio city shows in sept/oct 1980. Check out the versions of Cassidy and bird song. Bob is playing some gnarly shite
Posted on 4/26/21 at 2:36 pm to cgrand
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so does/did bob weir.
No, he plays rhythm. James Hetfield carries the beat and tempo, which is usually handled by the drummer.
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The Grateful Dead are in every way a more significant band in American music history than is/was Metallica.
This comment is historically comical. quote:
You can believe Hetfield was a better player but that has nothing to do with how popular either band was
The Black Album went Platinum more times than the entire Grateful Dead discography. ...And Justice For All came close to the same honor. Hell, Live shite: Binge and Purge did the same. All data is against you here. You shouldn't have taken the brown acid.
Posted on 4/26/21 at 2:42 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The Black Album went Platinum more times than the entire Grateful Dead discography. ...And Justice For All came close to the same honor. Hell, Live shite: Binge and Purge did the same. All data is against you here. You shouldn't have taken the brown acid.
Crazy statistic -- Metallica grossed more in their 2019 tour than the Grateful Dead did their entire career -- 430 million to 393 million.
Metallica Tour Info
Grateful Dead Tour Receipts
Posted on 4/26/21 at 2:53 pm to Stan Switek
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Crazy statistic -- Metallica grossed more in their 2019 tour than the Grateful Dead did their entire career -- 430 million to 393 million.
the dead started touring in 1965
metallica started touring in 1982
using dollars as a comparison is not valid.
how about tickets sold?
thats 23 MILLION tickets sold
Posted on 4/26/21 at 2:54 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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No, he plays rhythm. James Hetfield carries the beat and tempo, which is usually handled by the drummer.
except this is a thread about "rhythm guitarists"
Posted on 4/26/21 at 2:59 pm to cgrand
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thats 23 MILLION tickets sold
Grateful Dead 22.3 million tickets sold
Metallica 22.1 million tickets sold as of 2019
Metallica tickets sold
As not a huge fan of either band, I was surprised they were that close.
Posted on 4/26/21 at 3:13 pm to cgrand
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how about tickets sold?
Jambland fans are prisoners to some weird arse logic.Posted on 4/26/21 at 3:15 pm to cgrand
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except this is a thread about "rhythm guitarists"
Yeah, they're both rhythm guitarists. James Hetfield happens to be known for keeping rhythm as a guitarist. The guy is legendary because of it.
Posted on 4/26/21 at 4:07 pm to cgrand
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go and see Bobby live (when it returns) with his wolf bros trio
Bob Weir & Wolf Bros Colorado Tour Dates
June 8 – Morrison, CO – Red Rocks Park and Amphitheatre
June 9 – Morrison, CO – Red Rocks Park and Amphitheatre
June 11 – Vail, CO – Gerald R. Ford Amphitheater
June 12 – Vail, CO – Gerald R. Ford Amphitheater
Posted on 4/26/21 at 7:12 pm to Crow Pie
The Dead, overall, had about as solid a group of jamming players as you might find. I was never a big fan, but that bright, jazzy, melodious tone was infectious. Garcia was extremely talented and Weir was probably in his shadow quite a bit and gets underrated by non-Dead fans.
But, "best" rhythm player? I think it's a long line before Weir (and that's no slight). There is a whole category of guys who were their own rhythm players (EVH, Townshend, Lifeson, Hendrix, etc.) who might be ahead of Weir before you get into great session rhythm specialists (notably Kortchmar, Nile Rodgers and even Carol Kaye) and band guys like Malcolm Young and Izzy before I would think Weir gets into the conversation.
But, "best" rhythm player? I think it's a long line before Weir (and that's no slight). There is a whole category of guys who were their own rhythm players (EVH, Townshend, Lifeson, Hendrix, etc.) who might be ahead of Weir before you get into great session rhythm specialists (notably Kortchmar, Nile Rodgers and even Carol Kaye) and band guys like Malcolm Young and Izzy before I would think Weir gets into the conversation.
This post was edited on 4/26/21 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:54 am to Ace Midnight
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. There is a whole category of guys who were their own rhythm players (EVH, Townshend, Lifeson, Hendrix, etc.)
How could I have forgotten Andy Summers (or Adam Jones)?
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 5:55 am
Posted on 4/27/21 at 6:19 am to Ace Midnight
I'm in the Keith/Malcolm Young camp...
For underrated, I'll go with Tom Petty...
For underrated, I'll go with Tom Petty...
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:53 am to TFTC
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For underrated, I'll go with Tom Petty...
Which reminds me - Joe Walsh said Don Felder was one of the best rhythm players he ever played with.
Don Felder, of course more famous for lead play, was a product of that fertile Jacksonsville-Gainesville scene that produced or helped produce the likes of the ABB, Skynyrd, Stephen Stills, Rita Coolidge, Hoyt Axton, obviously Felder himself, and one of his guitar students (Felder supported himself partially by working in a music store in Gainesville and gave guitar lessons), Tom Petty.
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