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re: If Texas's central grid only relied on solar & wind energy, would anyone have electricity?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:12 am to LSU316
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:12 am to LSU316
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your graph clearly shows natural gas picked up as much of the slack as it could
You never answered me yesterday. What is your theory for why wind and solar saw a drop in productivity on 2/8? The high in Austin on 2/8 was 75, so it wasn't cold weather. The winter storm hit on 2/15, which is shown on the graph when all sources saw a drop in productivity.
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:12 am to member12
All I get from that chart is why the frick are we even still going with solar?
Want solar to power your outdoor walkway lights or front gate or some things in your home? No problem. To power the grid? That's nucking futs.
Want solar to power your outdoor walkway lights or front gate or some things in your home? No problem. To power the grid? That's nucking futs.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:12 am to The Spleen
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No, and nobody with any credibility is arguing for any state to rely solely on wind and solar.
But people advocating for wind are the first to point out “but the natural gas pipes froze”
If the government didn’t incentivize wind like they do there would be even more gas online
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:13 am to SEC 440
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I think of a portfolio when it comes to mitigating community risk. Better to be diversified than have all eggs in one basket.
100% agree.
I'm not anti green energy. It just looks obvious to me that natural gas is still the main source of electricity for Texas despite the system failures with the ice and snow.
Some natural gas facilities went down. Nearly all wind turbines and solar farms went down. And this happened when demand for energy skyrocketed in a deep freeze.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:14 am to The Spleen
The shame of it is, that graph should be a steady 30,000 megawatt hours of nuclear. Period.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:14 am to dewster
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Nukes are the obvious answer, but the federal government changed their mind about storing the spent fuel rods. So now they are stored all over the country at nuclear plants.
Honestly one of the more minor issues. It’s more to do with licensing costs, margins, and the fact that Westinghouse is basically the only company that can build them and Westinghouse has been a poorly run company for a long time.
Canada has some cool stuff where they basically take a bunch of small naval reactors and make a farm to generate 700-800 MW. Those naval reactors are bulletproof (but unfortunately most are still made by Westinghouse.)
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:15 am to Meauxjeaux
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All I get from that chart is why the frick are we even still going with solar?
Solar only makes sense if you use it as supplemental power on your home or business. And even then you can't rely on it 100% of the time.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:15 am to Napoleon
I’m happy to have our own grid. This is a once in a generation event. Things can be improved but there’s no reason to abandon our own grid because of an event that’s not likely to occur again in my lifetime.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:15 am to member12
What happened here in Texas had nothing to do with renewables
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:16 am to The Spleen
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and nobody with any credibility is arguing for any state to rely solely on wind and solar.
Have you not seen the repeated issues with building new natural gas lines or restrictions on natural gas production in certain New England states?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:17 am to The_Duke
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What happened here in Texas had nothing to do with renewables
I know that's the party line for some people, but the output from renewables completely collapsed. That's not in dispute.
Natural gas output went down because of system failures, but it still provides the bulk of Texas's energy even through the cold snap. Nukes and Coal also had shortcomings, but still produced power.
If a larger proportion of Texas's energy was provided by wind, they'd be even more screwed.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:19 am to LSUGrrrl
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Things can be improved but there’s no reason to abandon our own grid because of an event that’s not likely to occur again in my lifetime.
Except there was an ice storm in 2011 that knocked over 100 power supply locations off line, leading to many power outages. They implemented rolling blackouts that affected over 3 million customers. It wasn't as bad or as widespread as this storm is, but 2 storms in 10 years in more than a once in a generation event.
And the state as a whole didn't improve things then.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:19 am to The_Duke
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What happened here in Texas had nothing to do with renewables
We found the guy who thinks he can contribute nothing to a group project and get an A but then is surprised when he gets an F and blames the kid who did all the work
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:19 am to The_Duke
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What happened here in Texas had nothing to do with renewables
Judging from the graph, this crisis would be even worse if Texas depended more on wind and solar. They didn't just lose 10%-20% of their output. They almost completely shut down.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:21 am to LSUGrrrl
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I’m happy to have our own grid. This is a once in a generation event. Things can be improved but there’s no reason to abandon our own grid because of an event that’s not likely to occur again in my lifetime.
Ice storms are rare but not unheard of on the gulf coast. They can bulletproof their system a little better for this. And with what some are being charged for energy now, there will be an incentive to do so.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:21 am to The_Duke
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What happened here in Texas had nothing to do with renewables
I’m mean that’s just completely false.
It’s fair to say that renewables weren’t the sole cause of the issue but it certainly was a significant component.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:23 am to LSUGrrrl
But IT IS reason to abandon wind energy?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:23 am to Adam Banks
Renewables falling off was accounted for and planned for with the upcoming rolling blackouts. The rolling scheduled blackouts never happened due to NG plants freezing leaving 4.5 million houses without power for 3 days.
Renewables had nothing to do with what happened here in Texas.
Renewables had nothing to do with what happened here in Texas.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:23 am to The Spleen
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No, and nobody with any credibility is arguing for any state to rely solely on wind and solar.
Firstly I realize you said with a brain....BUT the problem is this is exactly what the current Presidential administration, and Congressional Democrats, is arguing for.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:24 am to The_Duke
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Renewables falling off was accounted for and planned for with the upcoming rolling blackouts. The blackouts never happened due to NG plants freezing.
So you're saying that under the best of conditions the renewables fall off was going to cause rolling blackouts and that is OK...
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The rolling scheduled blackouts never happened due to NG plants freezing leaving 4.5 million houses without power for 3 days.
Without NG it would have been a lot longer than 3 days.
It is my understanding that some wellheads did freeze which obviously hampered output from NG....but it was still putting out way more output than what it was on 2/8.
Even if, as you say, renewables didn't cause this disaster. They certainly didn't fix it either....only NG is on the way to doing that.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:28 am
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