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Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:07 am to The_Duke
That doesn’t say gas production stopped. Again, why are you dying on this hill? No one is placing all the blame on renewable energy. We are simply pointing out that renewables were the least reliable energy producers during this event.
And that’s because the title of the thread asked about renewable energy specifically.
And that’s because the title of the thread asked about renewable energy specifically.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:09 am to LSUGrrrl
Ok you’re coming at it from a different angle and I agree if that’s you position. Ppl in here are blaming it all in renewables and that’s not true. My position is that the system failed to prepare. I don’t care if we use moon crystals for power—I’m very indifferent. I drive a sports car everyday.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 10:10 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:09 am to LSUGrrrl
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No one is placing all the blame on renewable energy. We are simply pointing out that renewables were the least reliable energy producers during this event.
I mean, he's been proven wrong by multiple posters but still wants to defend renewables against any blame in this situation. If they held up, he wouldn't have to make up pretend statements to support renewable energy.
The reality is that wind turbine output collapsed almost entirely. Solar did as well, but solar was never reliable to begin with.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:10 am to The_Duke
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Ppl in here are blaming it all in renewables and that’s not true.
I don't see anyone blaming it all on renewables. You did deflect any blame or responsibility away from renewables though.
Any good energy grid is going to rely on a wide variety of sources. There will be times when natural gas prices spike and solar and wind will need to step up.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:11 am to member12
I’m blaming the entire system—are renewables part of the system?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:12 am to The_Duke
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I’m blaming the entire system—are renewables part of the system?
Renewables are part of the system that went down by nearly 100%.
You can blame the entire system, but there's a clear place where the majority of your frustration should be. And you clearly stated that it has nothing to do with this crisis.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:14 am to goofball
Well, I also stated that NG had nothing to do with the shut down.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:14 am to member12
Blaming renewables in this situation is like blaming the runt at the end of the bench, who played 1 minute, for the powerhouse basketball team losing the game. Wind is the Tx alt power and during winter makes up about 7% of the energy mix. Winter is for Nat gas and it froze at the well head, at the midstream processing plant, basically all along the supply chain. That’s the primary cause of the power situation.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:15 am to LSUGrrrl
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We are simply pointing out that renewables were the least reliable energy producers during this event.
Bingo.
There's no way we can electrify our entire transportation network without relying on natural gas or coal. At least not in any way that I can see for the next 30 years.
Renewables really shite the bed in Texas even more than generators that use other sources of energy. Which is why AOC and the White House, along with their friends in the media, were so quick to deflect blame. And why people like Duke eats it up.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:15 am to member12
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I mean, he's been proven wrong by multiple posters but still wants to defend renewables against any blame in this situation. If they held up, he wouldn't have to make up pretend statements to support renewable energy.
The blame is a lack of winterization for wind and thermal.
They run wind turbines in Norway in the winter, you don't think with proper maintenance and installation they couldn't do it here? It was a combo of lack of infrastructure investments coupled with the age old question of how much risk do you try to mitigate. It was a once in a 20 year winter storm.
I'm pro total mix of energy solutions FYI
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:17 am to barry
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. It was a once in a 20 year winter storm.
Keep your shite running and you can charge an arm and a leg for output while your competitors fail. A lot of energy companies are going to upgrade after this.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:17 am to member12
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they held up, he wouldn't have to make up pretend statements to support renewable energy.
Show me one post where I made up a statement of support for renewables or any other form of energy?
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:17 am to member12
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True. But it's next to zero now as demand spikes.
And coal/NG completely shite the bed.
Are you just asking to fight w people about green energy or something?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:18 am to barry
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The blame is a lack of winterization for wind and thermal.
Same for the E&Ps that the system primarily relies on for gas. It didn’t make economic sense and it won’t 3 days from now. Tx also has very little gas storage because it’s so easy to just ramp up production...until it froze.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:19 am to cwill
....Here comes the cavalry
You guys are late
You guys are late
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:19 am to Sao
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Are you just asking to fight w people about green energy or something?
An obvious “yes”.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:21 am to The_Duke
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cavalry
It's Calvary. You know... like any Christian coming to peacefully assemble.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:21 am to Sao
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nd coal/NG completely shite the bed.
False. They didn’t lose nearly 100% of output like wind. Their reduction in capacity was much less severe.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:21 am to The_Duke
Maybe the argument is better stated this way:
A plan that incentivized wind and solar did not invest in their required backups ( required because wind and solar don’t always work).
The plan SHOULD have required wind and solar to pay for the backup supply they need. When nobody paid the nuclear, coal and gas plants to be ready (and technology is available to do that), they chose not to fund the readiness themselves.
Blackouts then occurred
Now, was it wind (that unreliably went from 30 gigawatts to 1 gigawatt) or gas (that slowly increased 450% during the debacle) that caused the problem.
Maybe it was the plan. But, wind and solar don’t deserve a place at the top of the list for energy supply.
A plan that incentivized wind and solar did not invest in their required backups ( required because wind and solar don’t always work).
The plan SHOULD have required wind and solar to pay for the backup supply they need. When nobody paid the nuclear, coal and gas plants to be ready (and technology is available to do that), they chose not to fund the readiness themselves.
Blackouts then occurred
Now, was it wind (that unreliably went from 30 gigawatts to 1 gigawatt) or gas (that slowly increased 450% during the debacle) that caused the problem.
Maybe it was the plan. But, wind and solar don’t deserve a place at the top of the list for energy supply.
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