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Ford to Phase Out Gas Cars in Europe by 2030

Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:25 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26472 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:25 am
Ford is following General Motors, VW, Jaguar/Land Rover, and of course Tesla by going primarily EV very soon.

quote:

The announcement is the latest evidence of the industry’s rapid shift away from traditional engines


WSJ

BERLIN— Ford Motor Co. F -0.61% said it would invest $1 billion in a German factory as part of a plan to phase out gas-powered cars in Europe by 2030, the latest auto maker to embrace a shift to electric vehicles.

Ford said Wednesday that it will convert its plant in Cologne to produce electrics, including the company’s first European-built all-electric passenger car in 2023. By 2030, electric vehicles should account for all its passenger-car sales in Europe, along with two-thirds of its commercial vans and trucks, the company said.

Most of the car industry’s well-known brands have dramatically increased investment into electric vehicles as the broader automotive industry begins in earnest to phase out traditional engines and shift almost entirely to electric vehicles and hybrids over the next decade.

“Our announcement today to transform our Cologne facility... is one of the most significant Ford has made in over a generation. It underlines our commitment to Europe and a modern future with electric vehicles at the heart of our strategy for growth,” Stuart Rowley, president of Ford’s European business, said.

General Motors Corp. said last month that it would phase out production of gasoline-powered vehicles by 2035, echoing similar plans by Volkswagen AG , Europe’s biggest automotive producer.

Jaguar Land Rover said Monday that its iconic Jaguar luxury brand would be fully electric by 2025 and it would launch electric versions of its entire model lineup by 2030, as new Chief Executive Thierry Bollore, former head of Renault, moves quickly to transform JLR into a maker of luxury electric vehicles.

Ford also said it had returned to profit in Europe in the fourth quarter of 2020 and was on track to achieve a targeted 6% pretax profit margin.


So that makes Jaguar/Land Rover, General Motors, and VW committed to fully EV worldwide within 10-15 years. Ford is following by going fully EV in Europe within 10 years.

For those of you that are too dense to notice. The current family of internal combustion engines from our major automakers is probably the last ones they'll develop. Gasoline engines will lose their cost advantage over electric with the severe decline in production within 10 years or so. If not, you know that the remaining gas and diesels will be so choked with emissions restrictions that they won't be worth owning.

The writing is on the wall for gas vehicles. If you want to stick with gas, you better pick up a very reliable model in about 10 years and hope that it lasts and that fuel supplies remain widely available as people switch to EV's.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:28 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51147 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:28 am to
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Most of the car industry’s well-known brands have dramatically increased investment into electric vehicles as the broader automotive industry begins in earnest to phase out traditional engines and shift almost entirely to electric vehicles and hybrids over the next decade.

Dang, gonna have to burn even more coal now.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:28 am
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10697 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:28 am to
So over the endless EV posts.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102032 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:28 am to
What investments is Ford making to strengthen and modernize our power grid to prepare for the increased load within 10 years time?


....crickets

ETA: ahh glossed over the Europe part. They won't be far behind in the US
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:30 am
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80555 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:28 am to
Still have to charge them. Still need infrastructure to charge them. Also need to be able to charge them quickly. No one wants to go on a road trip if the car takes forever to charge.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23893 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:28 am to
That’s a lot of China’s rare earth metals they’re gonna need.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76506 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:29 am to
Does Ford own the power grids?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26472 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Still have to charge them. Still need infrastructure to charge them.


Infrastructure adapts.

We didn't just sit around when people traded in their horses for automobiles. Pipelines were built. Refineries were built. Fuel stations were built.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138183 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:30 am to
Europe's electricity costs are already through the roof. The only way they could support this is through building fossil fuel or nuke power plants. Of course, that means getting Russian gas or tapping into the new pipeline coming into southern Europe. Either way, you can have renewable energy or electric cars. Can't have both.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:31 am to
This is why China is doubling down by announcing new Coal plants throughout the world including Europe.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26472 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:31 am to
quote:

Also need to be able to charge them quickly. No one wants to go on a road trip if the car takes forever to charge.


You can charge them quickly now. Only the older EV's require slow charging.

And if mass adoption of EV's continue at the pace they are going in the US and Europe, service stations with gas pumps are going to eventually become more and more rare.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26472 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:32 am to
quote:

This is why China is doubling down by announcing new Coal plants throughout the world including Europe.



If we were smart, we'd do something similar with coal, nuclear, and natural gas.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33085 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:34 am to
Louisiana needs to green light more power plants. Like now.

Takes 10 years for some of those things to come online.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112648 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:35 am to
quote:

So over the endless EV posts.
quote:

tigergirl10
BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY $10K TO CHANGE THE BATTERY EVERY 5 YEARS!!!
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34256 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Europe's electricity costs are already through the roof. The only way they could support this is through building fossil fuel or nuke power plants. Of course, that means getting Russian gas or tapping into the new pipeline coming into southern Europe. Either way, you can have renewable energy or electric cars. Can't have both.


Nah. They are just going to use recycled, sustainable electricity. Organically grown, of course. You thought Holland had windmills now? Just wait. The country is going to be one giant windmill!!!
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33085 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Europe's electricity costs are already through the roof. The only way they could support this is through building fossil fuel or nuke power plants. Of course, that means getting Russian gas or tapping into the new pipeline coming into southern Europe. Either way, you can have renewable energy or electric cars. Can't have both.


I think the urban elites probably want cleaner cities more than they want carbon neutrality.

IMO now is the time to develop energy sources appropriate for base load generation before they are somehow outlawed.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64185 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:39 am to
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You can charge them quickly now.


What's the fastest charging vehicle on the market and how much does it cost?
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:40 am
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76506 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:41 am to
30 minutes for 150-225 miles of range in a Model 3

Depending on model options.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:42 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112648 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:41 am to
quote:

What's the fastest charging vehicle on the market and how much does it cost?
If we're talking road trips, Tesla superchargers I assume would be the fastest here in the US.

You can be pretty much near 0% and charge up to 80% in 15 minutes, and that's all you really need to get to the next supercharger.

The cost varies per charger, but usually $4 or so.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112648 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:42 am to
quote:

30 minutes for 150-225 miles of range in a Model 3

Depending on model options.
That's also if you charge up to 100%, the final 20% alone can take up to 30 minutes.

But everything in between, like going from 10 to 80% can be done in 15 minutes.
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