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re: Reasons why Texas power grid failed:

Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:29 pm to
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:29 pm to
You expect to be taken seriously when you post that bullshite?

Like all leftists you are free and easy with other people’s money
Posted by PewPewBlue
Merica
Member since Jan 2021
491 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:18 pm to
You're a perfect example of an unhinged leftist.
Posted by obdobd918
Member since Jun 2020
3228 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:19 pm to
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We have almost 31GW of wind installed on the grid, but on Monday we couldn’t even depend on 6 GW working.

To make matters worse, existing storage of wind energy in batteries was also gone, because batteries were losing 60% of their energy in the cold.

Bottom line: renewables don’t work well in extreme weather. Never will.


The whole point of Nat Gas, coal, and nuclear power generation is called: RELIABILITY

Guess what? The wind does not blow very much during intense heat and windmills freeze in extreme cold. The non-green generators don't care. This is why brilliant men built these type of generators years ago. They had common sense. Today, it is rare to meet someone with common sense, and they aren't a liberal.
I have not met one liberal with common sense. The ones who get common sense are no longer liberal.

Liberal policies are dangerous and can lead to deaths. Their ignorant policies can lead to people freezing to death or dying of heat stroke because liberal energy does not work when needed the most.
Posted by footswitch
New Market
Member since Apr 2015
3991 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:48 pm to
Thank the Lord for Brown's Ferry and frick libs.
Posted by MrFizzle
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
496 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:18 pm to
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Blah blah blah, he is FOS

Bottom line, private companies do not like to carry spare capacity just in case you need it as that is expensive and financial decisions based on this led to a shortfall.

This is the downside to deregulation and a "free market", it is what it is.


I not only agree with some part of this but the fact is Illinois, Kansas, and colder states have hundreds upon thousands of windmills, Texas was just too damn cheap/stupid to realize inclement conditions happen.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15911 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:19 pm to
I just don’t get the meltdown of some folks. Sure, it’s sad the grid can’t handle this once in a generation situation but a couple of days of camping indoors won’t be some catastrophe like a hurricane or flood. Builds character and stories for the future.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3676 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:25 pm to
The nuclear plants are shut down as well
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9686 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:26 pm to
Yeah no shite. I can't believe the drama queens. If you aren't elderly or handicapped, get over it.

A character building training event.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
2032 posts
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:57 pm to
So much in Crenshaws piece.

1. Shouldn't the system be designed to work efficiently in a worse case massive spike event? Just think if planes were designed to only fly when everything worked perfectly.

2.Why was it not a requirement for de-icing rings to be on the turbines for them to be accepted for use on the grid?

3.Natural gas line froze. Aren't these lines buried? The depth of the trench can't be that deep to get below Texas frost line. Cost prohibitive? What is the life of a line vs the additional costs?

4. Plants down for scheduled maintenance? How long are pants down for maintenance? Seems like in texas July and August would be full capacity. Same for Dec through February. Can they not get maintenance done all other months?
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 11:58 pm
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4075 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:08 am to
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Also, Texas infrastructure isn’t designed for once-in-a-century freezes.



It's not though...
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51956 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:11 am to
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Bottom line, private companies do not like to carry spare capacity just in case you need it as that is expensive and financial decisions based on this led to a shortfall.



Given the core issue for the majority of generation shortage is getting fuel to the Plants to burn......how exactly would having more plants be a solution?
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16681 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:48 am to
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This idiot doesn't understand that wind turbines are designed for the prevailing climate of the region they operate in.


False

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here are significant design differences used to optimize them. Turbines in northern states would fail if exposed to 100+F summers year after year.


Another false statement. Preventative measures aren’t taken during construction. It’s not like illinois builds the turbines out of complete different materials. The difference is tejas reacted extremely slow to the weather patterns either out of complacency or incompetence.

Southern illinois weather isn’t that much different from the southern states yet they never have a problem keeping the turbines running in summer.
Posted by RazorBroncs
Harding Bisons Fan
Member since Sep 2013
13598 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:10 am to
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We need more nuclear power.


This is the REAL answer, nationwide.

Unfortunately there's so many ill-informed individuals with loud voices when it comes to nuclear, it's a massive uphill battle when it should be the easy obvious answer.

Idiots hear 'nuclear' and automatically assume danger, Chernobyl in their backyard, automatic target for foreign attack.

But there are SO MANY safety mechanisms in place to prevent a meltdown, and nuclear plants today are infinitely safer and technologically advanced than even 20-30 years ago. We've come such a long way in that regard in the last few decades.

They are designed and built with failsafe after failsafe after failsafe, even in the most extreme conditions that the plant would most likely never get CLOSE to seeing.

But then the stupid people also think that it immediately paints a huge target on their back for a foreign attack, and that a nuclear plant somehow contains the explosive power of a nuclear bomb. This is merely word-association with the word 'nuclear', they don't understand how it works and the numerous failsafes in place to keep it from effecting the surrounding environment even IN the event of an attack. And when is the last time America had a foreign missile land anywhere in its territory?

TLDR - nuclear is the obvious answer, people are just misinformed and assume the worst due to the name

Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
23982 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:15 am to
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If you want cheap power 99.9% of the time then be prepared to handle the consequences when things get off the rails.



I don’t think you understand how ironic this is coming from a Marxist
Posted by Perse
I identify: LGBFJB
Member since Oct 2020
1472 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:29 am to
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Maybe this event will dissuade the CA locusts from moving to TX.


A friend recently moved from CA to a city just outside of Dallas. I called her and asked about the hike in electricity cost and she said, "it's still cheaper than PG&E."
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 1:30 am
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:57 am to
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You could prepare for it but the cost would be more than the customers would be willing to pay.



This. The same people in here bitching about this event would be bitching about how Govt fricks everything up and about Govt over reach if they made the "winterizing" packages mandatory. Rate payers would be howling about high energy prices.

Posted by Russ337
NM
Member since Dec 2013
1473 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:27 am to
I could give two shits about Dan. If your going to have an independent power grid, should be prepared for the absolute worst.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5652 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:32 am to
Natural gas and nuclear? What about coal, dumbshite? 90 day coal inventory on the ground.

Nuclear? So when is Vogtle coming on line? Georgia can’t run a gd election. Think Georgia power can complete a nuclear plant. On time and on budget? Don’t think so.
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
14217 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:20 am to
Maintenance downtime can run from a couple to six or so weeks depending on what level of reliability they are working on. Usually it is all done between fall and spring. The entire downstream and speciality chemical manufacturing sectors are the same way, nothing out of the ordinary.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
884 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:00 am to
Use of nuclear has gotten safer over the decades and the nature of the product and byproducts of nuclear require nothing less than extreme built in safety measures.
After working in the power industry all my life, I believe that most major power generators would love to build nuclear units because of their capabilities but when you consider the permitting process, all the applications and paperwork, the government regulations and testimonies and politicking required just to have a nuclear plant considered, then if it ever is approved, the cost of construction, oversight, all the regulations and construction requirements. It just cost too much and takes too long for most companies to be able to seriously attempt building a nuclear.
In the length of time and with the cost overruns that every nuclear incurs, a company can build multiple combined cycle or even coal burners but the government has done everything within its power to cripple and shut down the coal burners, so nobody is attempting to build coal burners anymore.
The real problem with America’s energy grid and energy supply is government interference and intervention into a free market, supply and demand commodity. Our government has made it almost impossible to build, run and maintain any kind of reliable electric generation. If they had subsidized clean coal such as IGCC technology as much as they have wind and solar, Americans would be able to use the most abundant source of fuel we have in a environmentally cleaner way than in the past and have reliable electrical production nationwide, fueled by American fuel and free of foreign manipulation.
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