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re: Need to ODB advice. Neighborhood Dog attack. (Thank goodness for security cams)

Posted on 2/7/21 at 7:38 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
22211 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

I've had labs and shepherds that would literally attack anything smaller than them that wasn't human or a goose. They are usually good with people. Good with kids. But kill pests animals for the fun of it.



I’m sorry, but that’s impossible. A dog that will attack a small animal is just a baby eating machine waiting to happen. They “snap”, you know.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27615 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 7:42 pm to
Tell that to every farm dog that has ever existed....

Jesus Christ.

Are we rational men or pearl clutching old women?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
22211 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 7:46 pm to
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Are we rational men or pearl clutching old women?


Have you read this thread?
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43876 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 7:48 pm to
Tell your wife not to shriek like that next time.
Posted by southside
SW of Monroe
Member since Aug 2018
597 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:41 pm to
I would walk over there with the pistol and tell the neighbor he can kill his dog or I will. If he doesn’t, and won’t let you, then escalate it to animal control immediately. Absolutely zero excuse for those animals to be terrorizing the neighborhood, regardless of the breed. God forbid your child was walking your dog when that happened.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27615 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 12:19 am to
No, you wouldn't.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24198 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 6:31 am to
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I would walk over there with the pistol and tell the neighbor he can kill his dog or I will. If he doesn’t, and won’t let you, then escalate it to animal control immediately.


Why would anyone do anything like that? With the video, I already hold call the cards. All your course of action would accomplish would be alienating me and my family from the rest of the neighborhood.

I did some digging this AM and here is the relevant section of the city code.

quote:

BITES:
A. Report Of Bite: The owner of an animal that bites a person and any person bitten by an animal shall report the bite to the animal control division or the health department within twenty four (24) hours of the bite, regardless of whether or not the biting animal is of a species subject to rabies.
B. Report Of Medical Treatment: A physician or other medical personnel who renders professional treatment to a person bitten by an animal shall report the fact that he or she has rendered professional treatment to the animal control division or the health department within twenty four (24) hours of his or her first professional attendance. The report shall include the name, sex and address of the person bitten, as well as the type and location of the bite. If known, the report shall include the name and address of the owner of the animal that inflicted the bite and any other facts that may assist the animal control division or health department in ascertaining the immunization status of the animal.
C. Report Of Animal Treatment: Any person treating an animal bitten, injured or mauled by another animal shall report the incident to the animal control division. The report shall contain the name and address of the owner of the wounded, injured or bitten animal, the name and address of the owner and description of the animal which caused the injury, and the location of the incident.
D. Numerous Offenses: If any animal bites or attacks a person or animal two (2) or more times in a twelve (12) month period, such animal may be immediately impounded by the animal control division without court order and held at owner's expense pending court action. Any such animal shall be deemed to be a vicious animal and the animal control division may seek a court order for destruction of the animal. Parties owning such animals shall, if possible, be notified immediately of the animal's location by the animal control division.

ATTACKING ANIMALS:
A. Attacking Animals: It shall be unlawful for the owner or person having charge, care, custody or control of any animal to allow such animal to attack, chase or worry any person, any domestic animal having a commercial value, or any species of hoofed protected wildlife, or to attack domestic fowl. "Worry", as used in this section, shall mean to harass by tearing, biting or shaking with the teeth.
B. Owner Liability: The owner or person charged with responsibility for an animal which attacks, chases or worries any person or animal as provided in subsection A of this section shall be strictly liable for a violation of this section, and shall be subject to prosecution and liable in damages to any person injured or to the owner of any animal(s) injured or destroyed thereby.
C. Defenses: The following shall be considered in mitigating the penalties or damages or dismissing any charge hereunder:
1. The animal was properly confined on the premises; or
2. The animal was deliberately or maliciously provoked.
D. Animals May Be Killed: Any person may kill an animal while it is committing any of the acts specified in subsection A of this section or while such animal is being pursued thereafter.

FIERCE OR DANGEROUS ANIMALS:
A. Restraint, Muzzle Required: It shall be unlawful for the owner or person having the charge, care, custody or control of any fierce, dangerous or vicious animal to permit such animal to go or to be off the premises of the owner, unless such animal is under restraint and properly muzzled so as to prevent it from injuring any person or property.
B. Enforcement: Every animal so vicious and dangerous that it cannot be controlled by reasonable restraints or that is not effectively controlled by its owner or person having charge, care or control of such animal is a hazard to public safety and the animal control officer may seek a court order for the muzzling or destruction of the animal.

NUISANCE ANIMAL:
Any owner or person having charge, care, custody or control of an animal or animals causing a nuisance, as defined below, shall be in violation of this chapter and subject to the penalties provided herein. Any animal which does any of the following shall be deemed a nuisance:
A. Causes damage to the property of anyone other than its owner;
B. Causes unsanitary conditions in enclosures or surroundings;
C. Barks, whines or howls or makes other disturbing noises in an excessive, continuous or untimely fashion;
D. Molests passersby or chases passing vehicles;
E. Attacks other domestic animals;
F. Is a vicious animal not properly restrained as required herein;
G. Is determined by the Animal Control Division or Health Department to be a public nuisance by virtue of being offensive or dangerous to the public health, welfare or safety; or
H. Otherwise acts so as to constitute a nuisance under Utah Code Annotated title 76, chapter 10.

ANIMALS RUNNING AT LARGE:
It shall be unlawful for the owner or person having charge, care, custody or control of any animal to allow such animal at any time to run at large. The owner or person charged with responsibility for an animal found running at large shall be strictly liable for a violation of this section regardless of the precautions taken to prevent the escape of the animal and regardless of whether or not he knows that the animal is running at large.


I also found out the we need to license our pet in the city, which we have not done. As the old saying goes, "He who is without sin cast the first stone..."
This post was edited on 2/8/21 at 6:46 am
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
5743 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 6:58 am to
I would like to think that if I were in your situation, I would be sure to be with the wife the next few times she walked our dog, and I would be carrying a baseball bat. Seeing that dog coming from that far away, I feel like I could make solid contact before it gets to me or my pup.

This, of course, would come after speaking with the owner of the dog, letting him know that I don't want to have to tee off on his dog, but I will not hesitate doing so if anyone or my dog is being targeted aggressively.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11714 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 7:25 am to
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I would walk over there with the pistol and tell the neighbor he can kill his dog or I will. If he doesn’t, and won’t let you, then escalate it to animal control immediately.


This is not the way.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11714 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 7:28 am to
quote:


I’m sorry, but that’s impossible. A dog that will attack a small animal is just a baby eating machine waiting to happen. They “snap”, you know.



do you not get out much? Plenty of dogs out there high prey drive that are great with children.
This post was edited on 2/8/21 at 7:31 am
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24198 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 7:53 am to
quote:

I would like to think that if I were in your situation, I would be sure to be with the wife the next few times she walked our dog, and I would be carrying a baseball bat. Seeing that dog coming from that far away, I feel like I could make solid contact before it gets to me or my pup.


She normally carries pepper spray with her when she walks. But it was so warm on Sat, she didn't wear her big coat (where it's been most of the winter)
This post was edited on 2/8/21 at 7:54 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
22211 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 8:16 am to
quote:

do you not get out much? Plenty of dogs out there high prey drive that are great with children.



That was sarcasm; read the rest of my posts in this thread.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24198 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 8:19 am to
quote:

That was sarcasm; read the rest of my posts in this thread.


Yeah, our Boykin has a high prey drive (we like to joke that "If it flies it dies" (He's never caught or killed anything in his life short of a mouse)) and he didn't even fight back in the attack.
This post was edited on 2/8/21 at 8:20 am
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11714 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 8:22 am to
quote:

That was sarcasm; read the rest of my posts in this thread.


whew, thank god lol
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24198 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 8:29 am to
So after reading the city ordinances, here is what I'm going to do. I am going to speak with the neighbor across the street and tell him I am going to report the incident to animal control. I am going to give Animal Control a copy of the video so they have a record of it. I've based my decision of the fact that the ordinances state it's not a 1 strike and your out situation. However, it if happens again within the next year the animal control can take the dog. I am also going to register my dog with the city (hopefully there won't be any repercussions for me in all of this, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.) I'm going to insist that he do the same. I'm going to take him a copy of the video on a jump drive so he has it was well.

I'm also going to reach out to the owners of the Great Pyrenees report the dog roaming free and request that they register their dog as well. In fact, as this has gone on, I'm actually more concerned about them than the owners across the street. This is because of their very flippant attitude with regards to their animal vs the actions of our across the street neighbor. My wife texted the other wife and she didn't want to take responsibility or even seem to think it was a problem. to me, this is big a red flag.

I'm going to speak to everyone today or tomorrow and will report back when I do.

Thanks everyone.

Edited to add. Our dog has been known to "break jail" and sniff around the neighborhood (1 or 2 times a year). So I get that part of it. They are animals with minds of their own. This is where being a responsible owner comes into play. Yesterday's errands included a trip to home depot where I got automatic closing door hinges that will shut the front door it it's left open. We already had them on the garage, and I increased the close strength so it SLAMS shut now. Our 9 y/o used to think it was a big joke to let the dog "escape" and run around in the front yard. After making him watch the video about 10 times, not anymore.
This post was edited on 2/8/21 at 8:43 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
22211 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Edited to add. Our dog has been known to "break jail" and sniff around the neighborhood (1 or 2 times a year). So I get that part of it.


I get that all neighborhoods are different, but if roamers aren't that uncommon in your neighborhood, especially if it includes your dog, I wouldn't report him to The Man unless it happens again. He was obviously watching the dog and was instantly on top of the situation. Now if you talk to him and he blows it off and says "screw you" then yeah, but if he understands the situation and tells you it won't happen again then you're needlessly escalating it, and inviting him to call animal control the next time your dog is out.

You do you but that's a dick move IMO.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16312 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 8:58 am to
I had a similar experience a few months ago. My wife and I were walking our 2 beagles and as soon as we get out of the garage a lady across the street yelled "be careful there's 2 large dogs running around." No sooner than the words got out of her mouth 2 humongous dogo argentinos round the corner and start attacking the dog I had on a leash. I was able to spin her around off the ground long enough to keep them off of her. I kicked one of the dogs in the ribs like Morten Anderson and they retreated.

I went straight to my truck and got a .357 and was ready to kill them. Lucky for them they hauled arse.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81961 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 9:00 am to
The #1 use of our neighborhood's Facebook page is to post loose dogs. It always amazes me.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24198 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 9:05 am to
quote:

I get that all neighborhoods are different, but if roamers aren't that uncommon in your neighborhood, especially if it includes your dog, I wouldn't report him to The Man unless it happens again. He was obviously watching the dog and was instantly on top of the situation


My wife agrees with you, so guess what's going to happen?

I'm still going to talk to him and insist that Charlie be on a leash if he's in the front yard.
This post was edited on 2/8/21 at 9:07 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
22211 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 9:14 am to
quote:

My wife agrees with you, so guess what's going to happen?


Happy wife, happy life.

quote:

I'm still going to talk to him and insist that Charlie be on a leash if he's in the front yard.


That's completely reasonable. If you show him the video, unless he's an idiot, he'll do this anyway because there's an implied threat there that you don't even have to vocalize.

I didn't even have to talk to my neighbor. He figured out his dog was an a-hole so the dog is no longer in the front yard with him without a leash. There's another dog who roams (he's an escape artist) but nobody cares because he doesn't mess with anything.
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