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re: The sky is falling because O said he would be more involved in the defense.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:58 pm to JTA1985
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:58 pm to JTA1985
this
and this
are very bad indicators.
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The sky is falling because O said he would be more involved in the defense.
and this
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players first, scheme second
are very bad indicators.
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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And you again are assuming the insider knowledge is any better
Better than yours??? 100000000%! Especially when they're all saying the exact same thing.
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No, just like you don't have anything that explicitly says he would welcome a more involved approach to head coaching
I never said that though. See that's the issue. You got caught making an incorrect/speculative statement that we missed on Freeman and Nielsen because O wanted to be more involved in the defense, and then made a snide remark about how people downvoted you but they couldn't come up with a reason why. I called you out. Now you're trying make it about something it's not. I even told you in another post I am sure most elite coordinators would not want that. However that's not relevant to your initial comment and my reply to it.
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The bottom line is LSU had much more issues filling this role than just about anyone expected. O's comments offer some explanation regardless of you choosing to hear it.
I'm sure it did play a role in certain interviewees decisions. I'm not denying that. Literally all I said was that's just a guess on your part and with Nielsen it wasn't a factor considering he would be hire now if not for the contract stuff. Why is it so hard for you to just admit you misspoke initially and move on?
If you meant it generally impacted the search to a certain extent. Ok. I agree that it likely did. If you want to stand by your original statement that is the reason we didn't land Nielsen then you can continue to be wrong. Good luck to you!
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:02 pm to JTA1985
quote:did you just figure this out? I used to come to this board for information now I come for the comedy
People are ridiculous on this board
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:05 pm to LNCHBOX
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Whole lotta downvotes with no one trying to make a case against it
Candidate #1 verbally agreed to the job and then decided he'd rather coach closer to his home.
Candidate #2 wanted the job but was blocked by his contract and HC.
Keep manipulating the facts to try to make yourself feel justified in your blind hate for O. The last time you were this much of arse on this board we ended up fielding the best team in CFB history,
May I make 1 request: don't stop hating when we win the next one, you letting off the gas made O complacent.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:07 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Candidate #1 verbally agreed to the job and then decided he'd rather coach closer to his home.
Candidate #2 wanted the job but was blocked by his contract and HC.
Good luck trying to get him to understand this. He got caught making an incorrect statement and can't seem to just admit it and move on.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:17 pm to LNCHBOX
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Whole lotta downvotes with no one trying to make a case against it
Who let Saban leave?
Who failed to bring him back when he quit Miami?
Why couldn't we get Fisher or Herman?
There are more folks involved than the HC.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:45 pm to Tigerpride18
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He is capable of being involved with the front 7 of our defense, when he talked about learning from ole miss,he mean that he couldnt coach all players and coaches like they were d lineman.
Dont yall know that coach o is well known to be one of the better d line coaches in college football and coached some of the best d lines on cfb history.
Hes said on numerous occasions that he learned that he couldnt coach everyone that hard and the same as the d line. Dont forget,this dudenhas coached in the nfl and coached Warren sapp and other great d linemen. shite, how many rings does he have by now?
He is not our DL coach.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:42 pm to Choupiqueboy
quote:Anybody who doesn't think an HC is involved in one way or with the Offense or the Defense has their head up their arse or is in complete denial.
O could have avoided saying this, TMI, and that may be his death knell...
Miles did it when he was at LSU and the next coach after O will do it too.
This board has gone completely off the rails with O Derangement Syndrome .....Unreal
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:16 pm to CatfishJohn
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He also said he told all of the DCs he interviewed that he would be more involved, so I think it's fair to speculate that gave Freeman pause about coming here. It just isn't what most people wanted to hear.
All I see is typical Rant bullshite. Running wild with a quote when we have no idea if this was just coachspeak bullshite (which O spouts all the time), if he plans to throw in a couple of cents in weekly meetings, or will actually meddle in gameplans or in-game calls. The board has already shaped an entire narrative to fit what they WANT to believe with no evidence other than something O did over a decade and hasn’t done since in two interim stops or as HC here. Maybe it’s all true, but if you deny there are a lot of leaps in logic and blind assumptions being made here, then you have lost your fricking mind.
If O meddles in the defense next year, yeah, that’s not good at all. But how about we wait until he actually does before burning the fricking program down?
This fanbase never misses an opportunity to run wild and jump off a cliff. Never fails.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:22 pm to PowahCajun
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Why is it that nobody is allowed to criticize Orgeron for foolish decisions?? No coach no matter who it is should ever be totally immune to criticism,for anyone to think anything less means they are a complete homer, and cannot objectively discuss LSU football at all.
Legit criticism isn’t a problem. He deserves plenty after last season. The issue here is running wild with a quote and shaping a narrative that O is going to try and run the D himself next season when there isn’t any hard evidence to suggest that yet.
If he does it, go ahead and fire everything at him. If he doesn’t, then today is just another day on tRant, losing its collective mind over nothing.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:31 pm to JTA1985
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The sky is falling because O said he would be more involved in the defense.
The last time EdO got more involved on one side of the ball, we lost to Troy St.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:36 pm to justice
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Well when he got the job he said he’d let his coaches coach and being to involved is what caused his ole miss disaster
Coaching the DL while your DC is a DB coach is not getting in the way. He can still let his coaches coach and be involved in the DL. Yall forget that he is still regarded as one of the best DL coaches in the country, why wouldn't you want him involved there?
His disaster at Ole Miss was dictating every move to his coaches.
Also, if you were really paying attention in 2019. He got heavily involved after the Ole Miss game and after that game the defense had more sacks, turnovers, held Mond, Fromm, Hurts, and Lawrence all individually under 50% completion % and statistically was a top 3 defense from that point.
The melt over him saying this is retarded.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:41 pm to JTA1985
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The sky is falling because O said he would be more involved in the defense.
There's like literally one thread on the topic, but congrats on starting a new one.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:59 pm to JTA1985
Ridiculous and baiters. Anything said by this Coach is twisted into an all or nothing axiom. This constant ridicule is simply meant to undermine LSU.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 6:16 am to nola2269
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Also, if you were really paying attention in 2019. He got heavily involved after the Ole Miss game
Posted on 2/3/21 at 6:22 am to Choupiqueboy
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O could have avoided saying this, TMI and that may be his death knell....
This.
O is so in over his head.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 6:33 am to JTA1985
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People are ridiculous on this board
No, people are just frustrated because we came off the worst season in many years defensively.
Did he not want to get involved last year? Oh, he was? It was a poor decision by O to make it known
Posted on 2/3/21 at 6:38 am to LNCHBOX
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it definitely helps people understand why a premier program with elite talent that is usually willing to pay couldn't get its top 2 choices
100% agree
No fricking chance an up and coming DC risks letting O have his fingerprints on the defense
It’s a lose-lose proposition
Anybody that didn’t quietly think “uh oh” when they saw that quote from O hasn’t been paying attention, IMO
Posted on 2/3/21 at 6:59 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:yep I certainly think it’s a reason freeman isn’t here.
Anybody that didn’t quietly think “uh oh” when they saw that quote from O hasn’t been paying attention, IMO
Posted on 2/3/21 at 7:56 am to LNCHBOX
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So you don't want to name any elite coordinators looking for a "more involved" head coach? Glad we cleared that up.
I don't know if they are looking for involvement, but I'm sure Saban has always had input/involvement with his defensive coordinators.
By most standards. Steele, Smart and Muschamp... are/were considered elite coordinators.
Most likely a similar situation with Fickle and Freeman don't you think?
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