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re: The "worst rule in football" isn't wrong at all.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:20 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:20 pm to Bunk Moreland
The rule is great. People don't get it. Hopefully they never change it.
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 4:29 pm to WaterLink
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So the offense CAN get extra yards on loose ball situations.The reason it stays at the spot of the fumble on OOB fumbles is because fumbling out of bounds doesn't give the defense a chance to recover so it would be cheap extra yards so that's why that exception is put in place.
No, the offense cannot gain yards on a loose ball play, which is when the ball goes out of bounds and not possessed in the example we are using. Yes, of course the offense can pick the ball up and have the yards that are either beyond or behind the line of scrimmage.
Cheap extra yards? So what about if the the defense attempts to recover the ball and they are the force that cause the ball to go out of bounds?
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Once the loose ball crosses the endzone though, it's no longer the field of play and that exception is lifted.
Are you stating that the endzone is not considered in the field of play?
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 4:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
This is the official in me coming out:
It comes down to force. What force puts the ball in the EZ and who applied the new force? The fumble, in this case, was the new force applied to the ball. That force, initiated by B(the defense), put the ball in B's EZ while in possession of A(the offense). Of course it is a loose ball play, so by rule and b/c of the force applied, it is a touchback and awarded to B(who will now take over on offense and become A) at the 25.
It comes down to force. What force puts the ball in the EZ and who applied the new force? The fumble, in this case, was the new force applied to the ball. That force, initiated by B(the defense), put the ball in B's EZ while in possession of A(the offense). Of course it is a loose ball play, so by rule and b/c of the force applied, it is a touchback and awarded to B(who will now take over on offense and become A) at the 25.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 4:47 pm to markinkaty
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I don't like the horse-collar tackle rule. Defender is running at full speed trying to grab what he can to get runner down. Seems artificial penalization of defense.
Its a safety rule. When you grab a guy between the shoulder pads and pull him either back or sideways you halt all his forward momentum. This is how you blow out knees or snap ankles or legs like twigs.
It's a good, necessary rule.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 4:48 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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The defense should have to make a play and actually recover the ball to get out of the disadvantageous position of having the opponent threaten their goal line. Rewarding them with an automatic touchback when they are in danger of giving up a score makes no sense.
And it's not like the offense doesn't encounter risk when fumbling the ball. The defense could still recover it in the endzone and get a touchback. But if it doesn't, just bring it back to the spot of the fumble.
That goes back to the basic spot. The basic spot for any foul or loose ball occuring in B's EZ is always the 25.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 4:49 pm to Fun Bunch
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Another rule I hate is "half the distance to the goal" on an offensive penalty.
The offense is basically rewarded on a penalty for having shitty field position.
If you're caught holding, it should still be a 10 yard penalty. Just move the line to gain up how ever many yards it takes.
This is dumb.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 5:40 pm to Bunk Moreland
Why if you get tackled on your own 1” line it is just the next down? But if you get tackled in your own end zone, the other team gets 2pts?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:27 pm to noles25
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Cheap extra yards? So what about if the the defense attempts to recover the ball and they are the force that cause the ball to go out of bounds?
That's not what the exception for fumbling OOB in the field of play is there for, it's there to prevent intentional fumbles. It would be too convoluted to try to judge intent, so even if it isn't intentionally fumbled the rule still applies.
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Are you stating that the endzone is not considered in the field of play?
Whatever terminology you want to use, the endzone is different than in between the goal lines because when the ball is advanced past the endzone, the drive is over. Recovering in the endzone results in a score, and recovering in between the endzones results in possession right there by whoever recovers it (assuming it isn't 4th down or under 2 minute recovery by the offense).
Think of it this way. You fumble and it goes forward. If the offense recovers, they gain the yards (unless 4th down or under 2 minutes). If it goes OOB the ball is still considered being advanced (because obviously if it's recovered in bounds they get it at the recovery spot, so it's always being advanced as a live ball) until it goes OOB, then the play is dead and because it went OOB, the exception kicks in and returns it to the fumble spot to prevent dudes from intentionally fumbling it a couple of yards OOB where the defense has no chance to recover and teams could get first downs via fumbling forward OOB, do you want that?
But we've established that while the fumbled live ball is still in bounds, it's still being advanced. And when it's advanced past the goal line and into the endzone, then the exception for OOB is lifted because the endzone is the endgame of any drive, there's no more advancement needed to be made unlike trying to gain first downs. And by going OOB, it has been advanced into the endzone and the possession ends, just like any other advancement of the ball into the endzone.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:32 pm to Bunk Moreland
I don’t care about the rules, I let the media determine the winners of games and have for years
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:34 pm to noles25
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Are you stating that the endzone is not considered in the field of play?
By definition, it is not.
"The field of play is the area within the boundary lines and the goal lines."
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:45 pm to Bunk Moreland
Worst rule in football has to be PI being a spot foul
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:24 pm to MF Doom
Impetus Rule is still in effect is interesting
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The Impetus Rule
There’s a philosophical-slash-legalistic construct known as the Impetus Rule. It’s the NFL rules version of you-break-it, you-bought-it, and it comes into play when the ball enters that mystical end zone.
“Impetus is the force that puts the ball into an end zone,” NFL head of officiating Dean Blandino said a few years back, speaking of this exact situation. “So if a team provides the impetus that puts a ball into their opponent’s end zone ... then they are responsible for it. They’re responsible for it. And if the ball gets out of bounds through the end zone then it is a touchback.”
In other words, if the offense burps up the ball into the end zone, it’s the responsibility of the offense — not the referees, not the rulebook and certainly not the defense — to get the ball back under control. If the offense can’t do that, too bad, so sad.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:44 pm to noles25
If someone asked how many yards are there in a football field?
is 100 or 120 yards correct?
is 100 or 120 yards correct?
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:04 am to Bunk Moreland
I guess it depends where you sit on the fence.
If you like every player diving for the pylons without any risk/reward repercussions than you probably hate the rule...
But if you think going for a TD should be difficult and not the result of a risky and careless try then you revel in the moron who was loose and careless with the ball and tried to be too cute and as a result fumbled the ball out of the end zone.
What's the first rule of football? Take care of the football. Scoring a TD should be difficult and extra care taken around the goal line of the football.
He'll we have different rules for what is a catch in the end zone vs field of play so I don't know why there is consternation over treating fumbles through the end zone different than field of play.
The end zone is its special place, has its own rules, get over it.
If you like every player diving for the pylons without any risk/reward repercussions than you probably hate the rule...
But if you think going for a TD should be difficult and not the result of a risky and careless try then you revel in the moron who was loose and careless with the ball and tried to be too cute and as a result fumbled the ball out of the end zone.
What's the first rule of football? Take care of the football. Scoring a TD should be difficult and extra care taken around the goal line of the football.
He'll we have different rules for what is a catch in the end zone vs field of play so I don't know why there is consternation over treating fumbles through the end zone different than field of play.
The end zone is its special place, has its own rules, get over it.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 12:06 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:55 am to hiltacular
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Worst rule in football has to be PI being a spot foul
I agree but there's no fixing it. Even if you go to 15 yards the refs still making judgment calls. The NFL sucks horribly at officiating a game. frick subjective. It either is or isn't. We have 100 camera angles and the spectators at home are only privy to a few if they even decide to air them.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:44 am to markinkaty
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I don't like the horse-collar tackle rule. Defender is running at full speed trying to grab what he can to get runner down. Seems artificial penalization of defense.
If it was Todd Pinkston and not T.O. who had gotten tackled by Roy Williams the rule wouldn't exist
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 7:45 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:05 am to Bunk Moreland
That is nowhere near the worst rule in football.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:12 am to Glorious
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Dont fumble near the goal-line
Exactly this. Players being selfish trying to score a TD, when a QB sneak on the next play likely scores anyways. Rewarding a player for fumbling is a stupid.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:15 pm to Bunk Moreland
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If a ball is fumbled in the field of play, and goes forward into the opponent’s end zone and over the end line or sideline, a touchback is awarded to the defensive team
What happens when the defensive team recovers a fumble/gets an interception and then upon return fumbles the ball out of their own endzone? The way the rule is written, you could argue that team gets possession on the 20 going in.
I suppose offense always means the team with possession or most recent possession of the football. Hmmm... the more you know.
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