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Tell the truth, Monday
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:02 pm
First off, I believed that this was the year (2020) after 3 straight playoff losses and kept the faith that we were going to win last night until it became apparent that victory was no longer within our reach.
Now that the window is closed - Let's revisit.
2006
Lost @ CHI
first Conference Title game appearance
Most of us were happy to just make it to that game with new HC & QB.
2010
Lost @ SEA
Defending SB Champs
11-5 Saints @ 7-9 Seahawks
Had 4th ranked total defense that year
Beastquake game
2011
Lost @ SF
P. Thomas out within 1st qtr
5 turnovers and still played well enough to win the game
No other team in NFL history could have weathered through 5 turnovers and still been in the game at the end against that SF defense. No one will ever convince me otherwise. The greatest offense of all time.
2013
Lost @ SEA
The more forgotten playoff loss.
We were down 16-0 at halftime
Came back in the 2nd half and recovered the onside kick at our own 41yd line with 24 secs left and the score 23-15. Colston ended the game with a bonehead decision.
R.Wilson only went 9 for 18 and 103 pass yds in the game and 0TDs.
Yes, the Seahawks were the better team but Brees threw for 191 in the 4th qtr and only 5 teams had 200yds passing on them all season. Saints beat the Saints. We had chances to win that game.
2017
Almost lost to C. Newton at home but we did win 31-26 thanks to a 4th down sack
Lost @ MIN
Down 17-0 at halftime
In the playoffs, your defense should be able to stop a team at their own 39yd line for one final play and prevent them from reaching the endzone
Case Keenum beat us ...still hurts.
2018
vs PHI
How many fans were sweating bullets when Philly had the ball driving late in the 4th?
If wasn't for Alshon Jeffrey and his butterfingers I'm not sure if we pull that win out.
Lost NFCCG against the Rams
Yes, I'm still livid about the no-call but the point I have always made is this -
Saints had 1st & 10 (after 43yd catch from T. Ginn) at Rams 13yd line and Rams only 2 timeouts with 1:58 left in the game.
Why we did not make them burn BOTH of those timeouts?
3 runs up the gut, Sean.
1 first down and the Rams would never have touched the ball again.
1 first down to go to the SB.
That's on the coach for poor clock management.
2019
2nd time a 13-3 Saints team
had to play on Wildcard Weekend.
Played down to opponent without question.
Saints were 4for11 on 3rd downs and no true WR but M. Thomas to catch the ball.
2020
vs CHI
with all due respect to the Bears but that was more like Week 18 reg season than a playoff game
Any other NFC playoff QB (even Heinicke) and this could have been a very different game.
vs TB
2 FGs instead of 2 redzone TDs in 1st qtr
Cook with the fumble
No life on d-line outside of TB first series
M. Thomas with zero catches
Brees' last home game was one of his worst
What happened to S. Payton "the master motivator"?
Why didn't he and his staff ever get these teams motivated to play to their full potential in the playoffs?
Why such lackluster 1st halves in a lot of these games?
Why did we not step on throats when it mattered the most?
First time Saints had Top 5 Pass & Top 5 Rush D in the playoffs (2020) and it still didn't matter. Same results. Hell, we even lost by double digits last night with a better defense on paper.
We used to instill fear in the opponent especially on offense.
What happened?
Also, I'll just go ahead and say it, trading J. Graham was a MISTAKE.
Hindsight maybe 20/20 but we should have paid the man WR money in 2014 especially knowing how the 2015 & 2016 seasons were going to play out. Unger was a good center but nowhere near his 2012/2013 seasons with SEA and S. Anthony sure didnt pan out as a Saint.
Say what you will but Graham doesn't fumble the ball like Cook did last night in the same situation. (Not guaranteeing a win with Graham last night just saying he doesn't allow that fumble.)
End of an era in New Orleans.
I really don't know how I feel right now. Still dismayed, still aggravated, still dejected about the last 4 years and the playoff exits.
It just feels like this wasn't they way it was supposed to end.
What says the board?
Now that the window is closed - Let's revisit.
2006
Lost @ CHI
first Conference Title game appearance
Most of us were happy to just make it to that game with new HC & QB.
2010
Lost @ SEA
Defending SB Champs
11-5 Saints @ 7-9 Seahawks
Had 4th ranked total defense that year
Beastquake game
2011
Lost @ SF
P. Thomas out within 1st qtr
5 turnovers and still played well enough to win the game
No other team in NFL history could have weathered through 5 turnovers and still been in the game at the end against that SF defense. No one will ever convince me otherwise. The greatest offense of all time.
2013
Lost @ SEA
The more forgotten playoff loss.
We were down 16-0 at halftime
Came back in the 2nd half and recovered the onside kick at our own 41yd line with 24 secs left and the score 23-15. Colston ended the game with a bonehead decision.
R.Wilson only went 9 for 18 and 103 pass yds in the game and 0TDs.
Yes, the Seahawks were the better team but Brees threw for 191 in the 4th qtr and only 5 teams had 200yds passing on them all season. Saints beat the Saints. We had chances to win that game.
2017
Almost lost to C. Newton at home but we did win 31-26 thanks to a 4th down sack
Lost @ MIN
Down 17-0 at halftime
In the playoffs, your defense should be able to stop a team at their own 39yd line for one final play and prevent them from reaching the endzone
Case Keenum beat us ...still hurts.
2018
vs PHI
How many fans were sweating bullets when Philly had the ball driving late in the 4th?
If wasn't for Alshon Jeffrey and his butterfingers I'm not sure if we pull that win out.
Lost NFCCG against the Rams
Yes, I'm still livid about the no-call but the point I have always made is this -
Saints had 1st & 10 (after 43yd catch from T. Ginn) at Rams 13yd line and Rams only 2 timeouts with 1:58 left in the game.
Why we did not make them burn BOTH of those timeouts?
3 runs up the gut, Sean.
1 first down and the Rams would never have touched the ball again.
1 first down to go to the SB.
That's on the coach for poor clock management.
2019
2nd time a 13-3 Saints team
had to play on Wildcard Weekend.
Played down to opponent without question.
Saints were 4for11 on 3rd downs and no true WR but M. Thomas to catch the ball.
2020
vs CHI
with all due respect to the Bears but that was more like Week 18 reg season than a playoff game
Any other NFC playoff QB (even Heinicke) and this could have been a very different game.
vs TB
2 FGs instead of 2 redzone TDs in 1st qtr
Cook with the fumble
No life on d-line outside of TB first series
M. Thomas with zero catches
Brees' last home game was one of his worst
What happened to S. Payton "the master motivator"?
Why didn't he and his staff ever get these teams motivated to play to their full potential in the playoffs?
Why such lackluster 1st halves in a lot of these games?
Why did we not step on throats when it mattered the most?
First time Saints had Top 5 Pass & Top 5 Rush D in the playoffs (2020) and it still didn't matter. Same results. Hell, we even lost by double digits last night with a better defense on paper.
We used to instill fear in the opponent especially on offense.
What happened?
Also, I'll just go ahead and say it, trading J. Graham was a MISTAKE.
Hindsight maybe 20/20 but we should have paid the man WR money in 2014 especially knowing how the 2015 & 2016 seasons were going to play out. Unger was a good center but nowhere near his 2012/2013 seasons with SEA and S. Anthony sure didnt pan out as a Saint.
Say what you will but Graham doesn't fumble the ball like Cook did last night in the same situation. (Not guaranteeing a win with Graham last night just saying he doesn't allow that fumble.)
End of an era in New Orleans.
I really don't know how I feel right now. Still dismayed, still aggravated, still dejected about the last 4 years and the playoff exits.
It just feels like this wasn't they way it was supposed to end.
What says the board?
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Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:10 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
You just reminded me of 14 years of great Saints football teams . Post season is a bitch in any sports but the feeling of being a fan during that time is such an incredible experience
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:16 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
The D-line goes AWOL in the playoffs...every single time. Cam Jordan's only memorable play (that I can recall) is sacking Cam Newton in 2017.
They should be getting a lot of criticism as the supposed strength of the team.
They should be getting a lot of criticism as the supposed strength of the team.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:17 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
We can discuss the playoff failures and what could have bees...but man it’s also just really hard to win in the NFL, double that for the playoffs.
Frustrating but at this point just going to happy for that incredible super bowl season and shite ton of great Sunday’s during this era.
Frustrating but at this point just going to happy for that incredible super bowl season and shite ton of great Sunday’s during this era.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:24 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
Drew should have retired 2 years ago.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:25 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
quote:
TheSaintlyTiger84
How old are you?
This stinks but many years of continued playoff success, like we see at Alabama and New England, is the exception, not the norm.
Do you remember Buffalo losing 4 straight Super Bowls?
Do you remember the Oilers blowing a 30-something point lead in the playoffs?
quote:
What happened to S. Payton "the master motivator"?
You need motivation when you don't have talent. This team had talent.
This team has a ton of talent, but it's becoming obvious that some of it is old and some of it is soft.
They need a makeover.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:30 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
What this team desperately lacks is any quick twitch guys that win off of pure explosive athleticism. We have no one outside of Kamara that can take their god given talent and take over a game. What then happens is any team with decent personnel and a strong gameplan can scheme out our strengths and what we try to do, and we have no way to overcome this, because our scheme and timing are gone, and we can't with athletically. Hence why Harris was the only source of creativity and explosiveness yesterday.
We have no one on the roster that can force that game changing sack fumble purely off of willpower and athleticism. Our strength as a position group is likely in the secondary, and it is just so hard to ask a CB to take over a game by himself. It is just weird, because we have guys like Thomas, Sanders, AK, etc that should solve this issues offensively, yet in the biggest moments, they are eliminated purely because of the other team's scheme, and we are thus left to rely on trequan and Harris and Taysom Hill to carry us
We have no one on the roster that can force that game changing sack fumble purely off of willpower and athleticism. Our strength as a position group is likely in the secondary, and it is just so hard to ask a CB to take over a game by himself. It is just weird, because we have guys like Thomas, Sanders, AK, etc that should solve this issues offensively, yet in the biggest moments, they are eliminated purely because of the other team's scheme, and we are thus left to rely on trequan and Harris and Taysom Hill to carry us
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
I'm old enough ...
Why does my age even come into question?
My point of the post was not to lessen the accomplishments of making the post-season but to revisit our performance in the ones we lost. Some of those losses being right within our grasp of claiming victory.
As a fan of the game and a loyal Saints fan, I certainly can share my opinion.
...And you certainly can disagree with it if you choose.
Talent alone doesn't (always) get you to the promised land.
Go back and look at the pre-game for ARI @ NO during our SB run.
That was an inspired and motivated team. They were hungry.
Didnt see much of that the last 4 years in the playoffs.
And again ...
I love this team and will bleed Black n Gold forever.
But no one or no team is beyond criticism.
Why does my age even come into question?
My point of the post was not to lessen the accomplishments of making the post-season but to revisit our performance in the ones we lost. Some of those losses being right within our grasp of claiming victory.
As a fan of the game and a loyal Saints fan, I certainly can share my opinion.
...And you certainly can disagree with it if you choose.
Talent alone doesn't (always) get you to the promised land.
Go back and look at the pre-game for ARI @ NO during our SB run.
That was an inspired and motivated team. They were hungry.
Didnt see much of that the last 4 years in the playoffs.
And again ...
I love this team and will bleed Black n Gold forever.
But no one or no team is beyond criticism.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:09 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
A lot of people always blamed the defense but the offense really put them in bad spots in a lot of these playoff games. Last night, San Fran, Chicago, etc. very few of these games the offense clicked most of the game and didn’t have a shitload of turnovers.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:13 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
i honestly think that closing the deal may have started getting into the players heads.
i mean we'd have these stupid/goofy endings to the season and they would come back motivated but then when it came down to crunch time I just wonder if they started to hit a wall like The Bills in the early 90's, The braves in the 90's?
I know its a crap comparison but it's tough to use an analogy here.
11-5
13-3
13-3
12-4
and we've ended the last 3 years at home in the Dome where we had been playing our best for years in the Brees/Payton era.
A lot to be proud of but lying if I said i was totally satisfied.
i mean we'd have these stupid/goofy endings to the season and they would come back motivated but then when it came down to crunch time I just wonder if they started to hit a wall like The Bills in the early 90's, The braves in the 90's?
I know its a crap comparison but it's tough to use an analogy here.
11-5
13-3
13-3
12-4
and we've ended the last 3 years at home in the Dome where we had been playing our best for years in the Brees/Payton era.
A lot to be proud of but lying if I said i was totally satisfied.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:16 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
by Message
TheSaintlyTiger84
LSU Fan
North Louisiana
You’ve got WAY too much time on your hands.
TheSaintlyTiger84
LSU Fan
North Louisiana
You’ve got WAY too much time on your hands.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:17 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
I'll say this, I'd rather be a winning franchise for much of this last decade and just never win the last game then have won another Super Bowl at some point in the last 10 years and had losing/mediocre seasons the rest of the seasons.
It's easy now to sit back and feel empty having not won another Super Bowl, but in time we all will be thankful for being really good for so long.
It's easy now to sit back and feel empty having not won another Super Bowl, but in time we all will be thankful for being really good for so long.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:19 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
Trading graham was absolutely the right move. We needed to build up our line for brees, and it helped get us back to winning
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:32 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
quote:
Why didn't he and his staff ever get these teams motivated to play to their full potential in the playoffs?
With the exception of the Pats, you can say this for every other team that makes the playoffs regularly.
Seattle won once with Wilson. Green Bay won once with Rodgers. They seem to make the playoffs every year and deal with postseason heartache.
I know this doesn’t answer anything, but I guess the Saints just aren’t that special. We got to the playoffs, we played good teams, and we didn’t bring our A game.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:32 pm to TigerFan112
Some of you are just insufferable.
Too much time on my hands?
Why? Because I typed a message on a message board.
What does being a Saints/LSU fan and from N. Louisiana have anything to do with the post?
It took maybe 10mins to type that out.
I forget that some of you don't like full sentences and a post more than 2 lines of text.
Too much time on my hands?
Why? Because I typed a message on a message board.
What does being a Saints/LSU fan and from N. Louisiana have anything to do with the post?
It took maybe 10mins to type that out.
I forget that some of you don't like full sentences and a post more than 2 lines of text.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:37 pm to Delusional
quote:
The D-line goes AWOL in the playoffs...every single time. Cam Jordan's only memorable play (that I can recall) is sacking Cam Newton in 2017.
I won’t be sad to see Cam Jordan go via trade elsewhere.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:43 pm to TheSaintlyTiger84
quote:
I'm old enough ...
Why does my age even come into question?
Trying to see if you are one of the Saints/LSU fans that doesn't remember the 90s.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:14 pm to LooseCannon22282
Low underrated moment...I still wonder if something happened to Brees in that falcons game during the 2018 season. Up until that point we looked amazing on offense and Brees was an mvp candidate. After that the offense never quite got back on track.
Also of the believe the Rankins injury really hurt that team. People forget how amazing he was looking that season. The interior DL was wrecking folks, severely missed in the Rams playoff game
Also of the believe the Rankins injury really hurt that team. People forget how amazing he was looking that season. The interior DL was wrecking folks, severely missed in the Rams playoff game
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:19 pm to BilJ
quote:
Low underrated moment...I still wonder if something happened to Brees in that falcons game during the 2018 season.
same here
we were snapping necks that season before then
Our offense hasn't looked the same since
I'm most disappointed in our d-line yesterday. Complete no-show
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:19 pm to LSUDAN1
Drew was 6th in QBR this season I believe. I don’t think retirement was necessary 2 years ago. There are still only a few better options than 42 year old Drew Brees.
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