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Why (and who)built the culture of playing for yourself at LSU? facts included
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:14 am
From 2018
If you add in the opt outs, 2019 numbers, LSUs lead in players leaving early is growing over our competitors
So what gives?
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“When I came in, kids were (saying), ‘Three years and I’m out of here,’ ” said Clapp, the Tigers’ former All-Southeastern Conference guard and center. “We hadn’t hit the field yet and we got guys thinking three-years-and-out. It’s a mindset people come in with. I think it is a culture thing.”
There is an epidemic at LSU that is becoming ingrained in its purple-and-gold fabric: Underclassmen, even those projected as late- or mid-round selections, are declaring for the NFL draft at a higher rate than any other college program in the nation.
Over the past six years, 32 non-seniors at LSU declared for the draft. That is eight more than the next closest team, Florida State (24). Florida is next at 23 before a jumble of programs round out the top 10: Alabama, Clemson and OhioState (20 each), Southern California (19), Stanford and Notre Dame (15 each) and UCLA (14).
Those are some of college football’s bluest blue bloods. The powerhouse programs on that list speak to a fact rooted in common sense: sign the nation’s most talented high school prospects, win with them and watch them by Year 3 become NFL ready.
But, here on the eve of the 2018 NFL draft in this sprawling Dallas suburb, the widening gap between LSU and others begs for more of an explanation. The Tigers are signing similar talent than most of these clubs, according to recruiting rankings.
Why are they losing underclassmen at a drastically higher rate?
“If it would be for just one reason, it would be easy to fix,” said Mike Detillier, NFL draft analyst for WWL-AM.
If you add in the opt outs, 2019 numbers, LSUs lead in players leaving early is growing over our competitors
So what gives?
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:17 am to lsupride87
When you sell yourself as basically a minor league team, that’s what happens.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
Lester will be here soon to tell you, this isn’t a problem and not a “culture” issue. He will then do dishonest mental gymnastics to explain juniors declaring early and not getting drafted...”writing was on the wall...he got picked up on a practice squad”
Players such as Devonta, Najee, leatherwood, etienne return, but players of that caliber at LSU leave. Those players help mask/cover holes from other departed players and help solidify consistency
Players such as Devonta, Najee, leatherwood, etienne return, but players of that caliber at LSU leave. Those players help mask/cover holes from other departed players and help solidify consistency
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
your own article tells you the answer to your question
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“It hurts you, but the reality is in that next recruiting year, you better have more guys,” former coach Les Miles said. “The ability to market that, it’s like Kentucky (basketball) with the one-and-done.”
Miles was leading the program during this trend’s beginning in Baton Rouge. He used the NFL as a recruiting tool. LSU coaches pitched to prospects a three-year-and-out model, promising to have them NFL-ready after Year 3. They also used departing juniors — and their vacant starting positions — as ways to woo kids to campus for early playing time.
Said Clapp, recalling his classmates’ recruitment: “The coaches were saying, ‘We get you in and out. Three-year deal.’ ”
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:28 am to lsupride87
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If you add in the opt outs, 2019 numbers, LSUs lead in players leaving early is growing over our competitors So what gives?
It started under Miles as a recruiting tactic. I honestly don’t think O is selling this the same way Miles was, but it’s ingrained in the program. He would have to make a concerted effort to change the culture away from it now. I think he has to or it will eventually cost him this job.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
Who knows, this has been an issue since 2011/2012 and it sucks.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:36 am to lsupride87
We had a punter leave early for the draft...who did NOT get drafted.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:39 am to lsupride87
If I was really good at making and selling fried chicken, why would I waste four years and $80,000 to learn what I already know how to do better than those “teaching” (coaching) me? Why not just go ahead and open my own chain of fried chicken stores?
Because that’s what this guy did!
It’s not LSU’s fault that kids in other programs get sucked into making more money for the school or getting the head coach a fatter contract. That’s not why you go to college. Once you’re ready to make it on your own, degree or no degree, you might as well get started!
Because that’s what this guy did!
It’s not LSU’s fault that kids in other programs get sucked into making more money for the school or getting the head coach a fatter contract. That’s not why you go to college. Once you’re ready to make it on your own, degree or no degree, you might as well get started!
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:45 am to lsupride87
I think the culture started under Les and O has continued to sell the NFL dream. What you’re seeing this year is what happens when you miss on a class under this model (2018). Next year and going forward should be good.
Hopefully Stingley doesn’t opt out or mail it in next season. I’m pleased to see some defensive growth, though next season will be another huge turnover.
Draft eligible:
Cox
Logan
Anthony
Farrell
Thornton
Cam Lewis
Darren Evans
Jacoby Stevens
Baskerville
Clark
Hopefully Stingley doesn’t opt out or mail it in next season. I’m pleased to see some defensive growth, though next season will be another huge turnover.
Draft eligible:
Cox
Logan
Anthony
Farrell
Thornton
Cam Lewis
Darren Evans
Jacoby Stevens
Baskerville
Clark
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:46 am to lsupride87
Players have always only played for themselves. To believe otherwise just shows your own ignorance
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:51 am to lsupride87
Thanks for posting this
The fact we have “fans” here that are damn near giddy about this and proud of it is sad.
You’re not cool or progressive or enlighten by taking a stance of you wanting some 20 yr old kid to make a bunch of money.
That “kid” doesn’t give one single frick about any of us.
You’ll never see a dime of the money.
It has zero fricking impact on your life whatsoever. ... on the flip side, LSU winning does have a small impact on most of our lives.
In short, GTF over yourselves when it comes to this need to defend guys leaving early or opting out.
It’s not what’s best for LSU or its fans, and fact is we are all fans.
The fact we have “fans” here that are damn near giddy about this and proud of it is sad.
You’re not cool or progressive or enlighten by taking a stance of you wanting some 20 yr old kid to make a bunch of money.
That “kid” doesn’t give one single frick about any of us.
You’ll never see a dime of the money.
It has zero fricking impact on your life whatsoever. ... on the flip side, LSU winning does have a small impact on most of our lives.
In short, GTF over yourselves when it comes to this need to defend guys leaving early or opting out.
It’s not what’s best for LSU or its fans, and fact is we are all fans.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:52 am to lsupride87
I don't have issue with this culture
I went to LSU to better myself and increase future earnings
I went to LSU to better myself and increase future earnings
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:41 pm to lsupride87
Frank Wilson was telling recruits this when he got on staff in 2010 or 2011
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:42 pm to lsupride87
It has a lot to do with BR’s terrible arse culture IMO. Louisiana in general is a shithole filled with bad people who take advantage of kids for their own gain, including family members and “mentors”. LSU football’s lack of success year after year is a reflection of our state’s lack of success year after year, despite both having incredible resources
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:43 pm to lsupride87
This started with Les in the early 2010s when NFLSU started up, and LSU became all about getting and getting out ASAP, promising every recruit that they would go to the NFL. That's fine for recruiting purposes but horrible for long-term health of the program. We will not consistently compete until we shed that reputation as a three year NFL combine.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:08 pm to lsupride87
Saban started it with getting juniors to get nfl feedback before making a decision...it is common place now all over cfb
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:35 pm to lsupride87
This wouldn't be nearly as big a deal as it is if LSU could develop top-tier QBs, one right after another, like some select other programs do. This prevents us from competing at the highest level on a more consistent basis far more than the defections do.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:39 pm to lsupride87
Its cuz no one wants to be in Baton Rouge more than 3 years. 
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:15 pm to lsupride87
I’m ok with selling the NFL. That’s what these kids want for the most part. Can’t argue that it doesn’t work. We are a top 5 program over the past 20 years. Seasons like this one sucks obviously but they are typically the anomaly and not the norm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:32 pm to lsupride87
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Stopping it is not easy.
Coach Ed Orgeron and LSU have started using external help in the form of consultants, said Verge Ausberry, deputy director of athletics. They distribute packets of information to underclassmen mulling a leap to professional sports, with specifics to that prospect’s value and how it could increase with a return to college.
“We educate our young men (on) how it works, your value, where you want to go and getting the most out of your value,” Ausberry said. “Just don’t go to the NFL to go to the NFL. You have outside consultants Coach O has used very well and you see the numbers of guys who have come back.”
The trend this year ticked up
You left this part out of your 2018 article
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