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re: David Aldridge: Expect Significant Roster Adjustments in NOLA
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:53 pm to TechTiger
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:53 pm to TechTiger
I know most people would scoff at the idea of paying CP3 that much at his age, but i'd love to bring him back.
For one, we'd win more games with him.
And B, i'd love him teaching our young guys.
I'd much rather 2 years of CP3, even at his salary, and knowing you won't get anything from him as far as assets go when his contract is up in 2022, than Jrue and Lonzo, and i love Jrue.
I'd draft PG's this year and next year hoping one of them, or NAW eventually can take the helm after him.
For one, we'd win more games with him.
And B, i'd love him teaching our young guys.
I'd much rather 2 years of CP3, even at his salary, and knowing you won't get anything from him as far as assets go when his contract is up in 2022, than Jrue and Lonzo, and i love Jrue.
I'd draft PG's this year and next year hoping one of them, or NAW eventually can take the helm after him.
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:59 pm to Billy Mays
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Lonzo is really a PG playing SG right now bc of Jrue.
I disagree. Lonzo is an off ball guard in half court offense, IMO. The issue with the Lonzo Jrue pairing is that neither of them are good half court facilitators.
Lonzo is a transition facilitator, and basically a spot up shooter in the half court.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I know most people would scoff at the idea of paying CP3 that much at his age, but i'd love to bring him back.
That team would be drastically better than anything we saw this year. If you can somehow manage to keep JJ around without dealing him, maybe even resign Moore and actually let him play. Let Frank walk, it just clutters the guard rotation. Bring in some shooters and long athletic guys that can defend, and that team wins games....period
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
I would love to bring CP3 in, with his salary though theres almost no way to put a trade together for him without sending Jrue out
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:17 pm to Soggymoss
Zion and Ingram would learn a lot more from CP3 than they would by keeping Jrue around as the Win Now model vet. I would be very interested in deals that sent out Jrue and Lonzo and bring in CP3 and a bunch of young players and future picks. The Pels lost a ton of games in the clutch this year. I could see CP3 adding 10 more wins this year because he’s so good at crunch time.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:17 pm to Soggymoss
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I would love to bring CP3 in, with his salary though theres almost no way to put a trade together for him without sending Jrue out
Hard decision will have to be made, but I don’t think there is any question that the make-up of this team right now outside of Zion & Ingram will not win long term.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:21 pm to CP3forMVP
Agreed. Went back and watched a little of both his games vs kentucky.
Commentators said things like, "he needs to get in the paint", "I wish he would penetrate more."
Too reliant on the 3 but obv not an elite shooter. Weak midrange game and doesn't finish well at the basket. Not that good at pnr. Not an aggressive driver. He's more a 3 and d style off guard than a point. I don't see an all-star point guard.
Commentators said things like, "he needs to get in the paint", "I wish he would penetrate more."
Too reliant on the 3 but obv not an elite shooter. Weak midrange game and doesn't finish well at the basket. Not that good at pnr. Not an aggressive driver. He's more a 3 and d style off guard than a point. I don't see an all-star point guard.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
Would love cp3 on this team
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
Hopefully they don't waste their 1st round pick on Lamelo Ball
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
The thing would be, is who would you trade Jrue to to get the assets needed for CP3?
And Okc would definitely try to keep all their picks, so you would have to trade Jrue for salary to match, and hope OKC would be willing to take that salary in exchange.
I wouldn't give up any picks for CP3 from our side though
And Okc would definitely try to keep all their picks, so you would have to trade Jrue for salary to match, and hope OKC would be willing to take that salary in exchange.
I wouldn't give up any picks for CP3 from our side though
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:14 pm to Soggymoss
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The thing would be, is who would you trade Jrue to to get the assets needed for CP3?
Heat might be willing to do it....
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:18 pm to Soggymoss
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I wouldn't give up any picks for CP3 from our side though
It would be tricky, you'd basically have to convince OKC to go into rebuild mode which probably means giving them more for CP3 than expiring contracts. If you're trading Jrue and Lonzo I could see a team like maybe the Knicks getting involved. They'd have cap space and could take on salary for Zo and send a pick out. Maybe get a few young players and a future pick for Jrue.
Piggy backing off the Jrue to Miami trade posted earlier, something like
Pels - CP3, Duncan Robinson, Nunn, 1st (NY or MIA)
Knicks- Lonzo
Heat - Jrue
OKC - Igoudala, 1st (whichever one we didn't take)
So the Pels give up Lonzo and Jrue and get back CP3, a 1st, and 2 good young players. Maybe we could take our cache of 2nd round picks and send some of those to OKC instead of the other 1st.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:21 pm to TigerinATL
OKC might not want that many picks. They already have more than us.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:32 pm to Soggymoss
What assets do you need to get CP3 other than salary?
I can't imagine OKC would expect a nice pick in return for him. Anything they can get for him should be a win in their book, as he's much more likely to just finish out his contract and OKC gets nothing.
I'm sure OKC wants to keep him around for the same reason we would, to mold the young talent. They have a bevy of draft picks in the future to rebuild with, and they aren't in salary cap hell despite his $40M+/yr salary.
I did see a bunch of reports before the bubble started about trade options for Victor Oladipo, and more stupid ones recently about him being "friendly" with Heat players after their game earlier this week, making it look like he wants out of Indy.
That would be an interesting trade option if you ask me, sending Lonzo to the Pacers, or a third team that actually wants him. I'd like a Oladipo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion/anyone lineup.
I can't imagine OKC would expect a nice pick in return for him. Anything they can get for him should be a win in their book, as he's much more likely to just finish out his contract and OKC gets nothing.
I'm sure OKC wants to keep him around for the same reason we would, to mold the young talent. They have a bevy of draft picks in the future to rebuild with, and they aren't in salary cap hell despite his $40M+/yr salary.
I did see a bunch of reports before the bubble started about trade options for Victor Oladipo, and more stupid ones recently about him being "friendly" with Heat players after their game earlier this week, making it look like he wants out of Indy.
That would be an interesting trade option if you ask me, sending Lonzo to the Pacers, or a third team that actually wants him. I'd like a Oladipo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion/anyone lineup.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:38 pm to CP3forMVP
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Even at his best he’s one of the worst PnR and iso guards in the league. He can’t finish at the rim, has nothing in between the rim and the 3pt line, and even something like his passing, which I don’t want to discredit, comes with caveats.
Yeah, Lonzo has those great outlet passes, but I don't see him as some kind of passing savant. He's not John Stockton.
The basic offensive problem that we had this year was that we didn't really have anyone who was a good P&R initiator. Jrue and BI are both better at iso situations. And we have also lacked guys who can roll well -- Favors just can't, and Zion and Jaxson are still learning. The result has been insanely high turnovers.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I can't imagine OKC would expect a nice pick in return for him. Anything they can get for him should be a win in their book, as he's much more likely to just finish out his contract and OKC gets nothing.
Looking at their salary cap for next year, if they run it back they're a tax team by a good bit, if they blow it up, they could easily save $30-$60 million. I would think they want to blow it up, but you still might need to give them a push by making dumping CP3 attractive.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
They would definitely want expiring contracts and some cap relief.
The tricky part would be putting all that together
The tricky part would be putting all that together
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:04 pm to TigerinATL
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Looking at their salary cap for next year, if they run it back they're a tax team by a good bit, if they blow it up, they could easily save $30-$60 million. I would think they want to blow it up, but you still might need to give them a push by making dumping CP3 attractive.
running it back only means resigning Gallo and Roberson. I doubt they resign Roberson to anything much at all, if at all, and Gallo isn't part of their future. He's going to sign elsewhere. That's $33M gone from their salaries. And Gallo has a $34M cap hold, Roberson is $16M. Those guys aren't coming back.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:54 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Trying to figure out how this would work?
I would be very interested in deals that sent out Jrue and Lonzo and bring in CP3 and a bunch of young players and future picks.
Not sure if you mean 3 team type deals, but if we send out Jrue/Lonzo and get back CP3, we'd be the ones who have to add young players and/or future picks to get CP3 back.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:59 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Considering what CP3 has done in OKC, I can't see why OKC would ever just get rid of CP3 for one 1st only.
Pels - CP3, Duncan Robinson, Nunn, 1st (NY or MIA)
Knicks- Lonzo
Heat - Jrue
OKC - Igoudala, 1st (whichever one we didn't take)
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