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Is John Wooden the greatest collegiate coach of all-time?

Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:13 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:13 am
664-162 overall record. 300-67 in-conference record. Won 10 NCAA basketball championships in 12 seasons. Four perfect seasons. I don't think there is a head coach in all of Division I sports who can match that resume. Or are there? Does anyone else have a nominee for this title?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27325 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:16 am to
No. John Wooden created the “Pyramid of Success”, and as we all know, pyramids were build by slaves. Therefore he’s problematic and is cancelled.

He must be replaced by Avery Johnson.

This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 11:16 am
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
26587 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:16 am to
It’s Mike Leach.

Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71794 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:26 am to
Geno Auriemma has a better resume. 20 less losses, 400 more wins, 1 more title.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 11:27 am
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:27 am to
Nick Saban.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33964 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:29 am to
Rod Dedeaux won 11 College World Series including 6 CWS over a 7 year span.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Is John Wooden the greatest collegiate coach of all-time?
nope. he never once did anything special with average talent. most accomplished career? probably. greatest coach? nope.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:44 am to
Sam Gilbert is the best booster of all time. Lots of shady stuff happened at UCLA under Wooden.
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:26 pm to
He's not even the best coach named John.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28114 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:34 pm to
the original bagman started with him
Posted by ColoradoAg03
Denver, CO
Member since Oct 2012
6222 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:34 pm to
Pat Summit
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
30306 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:43 pm to
Best HC, and also best 1930's Keiland's calf muscle.

Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35626 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:18 pm to
People just focus on Kareem and Walton and say, of course Wooden won he had those big men.

But he won his first two titles in that same decade with a small lineup that played full-court pressure (when nobody was doing that) and ran a fast break offense.

UCLA hadn't won shite before Wooden came along. There wasn't a Kansas heritage or North Carolina or Kentucky heritage.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:43 pm to
He had the greatest bagman of all time, forgot his name, think it was Sid something
Posted by SoulBrotha91
Birmingham, AL
Member since Aug 2019
559 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

Is John Wooden the greatest collegiate coach of all-time?


Are we talking all college sports? If just basketball, he def has a case and that would apply to all sports as well, here's the context for the era in which Wooden thrived:

-no three-point line
-players stayed all 4 years
-no shot clock
-no dunking, thanks to one of Wooden's players Lew Alcindor
-more simple offensive/defensive college schemes (complex basketball coaching didn't emerge until the early 80s when the pros started enacting all the illegal defense rules to open up the paint since almost no one took 3s then)
-easier to get away with NCAA violations

critical factors to Wooden's success (outside of his great coaching and leadership):

-West Coast-based team ie black basketball players played there sooner than other schools
-Sam Gilbert
-weak conference
-always had the most talented players

the argument for Wooden (simplified):

-his W-L record and titles
-winning streaks
-one of the most revered coaches across multiple sports
-class personified
-made all that talent play as a unit and it worked
-1975, not the most talented UCLA title team, showed he could take his'un and beat your'un and vice versa for all the doubters who argued he was only good if leading great talent

I personally think Knight's among the all-time greatest for his ability as a game strategist and ability to lead collections of comparatively (to the other big boys) inferior talent to great success wherever he's coached, he coaches past the talent and that's the true mark of an all-time great coach. He isn't as revered as Wooden because of his infamous temper and Army disciplinarian nature but dude coached them up good.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98335 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:17 pm to
John Wooden was Nick Saban with an aw shucks personality.

By Nick Saban I mean he had the bagman and cutout scheme down to an art form too.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35607 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:39 pm to
Larry Kehres
332-24-3 (.929 winning percentage)
11 national titles
ZERO scholarships
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 4:42 pm
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
3366 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:12 pm to
Fielding Yost. 198-35-12

6 national championships 56-0-1 record with those 6 teams. 1901 Michigan team scored 550 points and held their opponents to 0.

10 Western/Big Ten titles.

Throw in an undefeated Kansas team he coached as well. It was the first and only season he coached at Kansas.

Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:40 pm to
Eddie Robinson
Posted by Winston Cup
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:43 pm to
geno auriemma
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