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Question about the logistics of surveying, clearing, fencing acreage
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:18 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:18 am
I'm trying to put this all together in my head while we're in the early stages of buying 20+ acres, mostly wooded (so I haven't talked to any of the guys who will be doing the work yet). The land had a recent survey, but the only markers to my knowledge (according to the plat map) are at all of the corners, some of which are over 1,000 ft. apart (and the property shape is irregular - not a perfect square or rectangle). So obviously the guys clearing the land need to know the boundaries. Is there a type of survey where they will put markers every 100 ft. or so, and how do they do this if the land is heavily wooded? How much would this type of survey cost on that size property? Once it's cleared, obviously the fencing guys will be able to follow the markers for the fencing (since they'll be readily visible), but the boundaries need to be pretty precise for the land clearing first. Seems like this would be a nearly impossible task on 20 or so heavily wooded acres.
As far as land clearing, a friend recommended a very reasonably priced guy who did forestry mulching on his acreage. Anyone went the mulching route on their land? Any major cons to mulching as opposed to hauling/burning everything? I plan on leaving some of the bigger trees, but fairly sparse since my kid and grandkids will eventually be riding dirt bikes or whatever on the land occasionally. And the mulch, once tilled into the red mud, should make for much better riding dirt. Will keep a few acres wooded for sure though.
As far as land clearing, a friend recommended a very reasonably priced guy who did forestry mulching on his acreage. Anyone went the mulching route on their land? Any major cons to mulching as opposed to hauling/burning everything? I plan on leaving some of the bigger trees, but fairly sparse since my kid and grandkids will eventually be riding dirt bikes or whatever on the land occasionally. And the mulch, once tilled into the red mud, should make for much better riding dirt. Will keep a few acres wooded for sure though.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:11 am to TigrrrDad
$5500-7,500
Posted on 6/26/20 at 6:08 am to TigrrrDad
Real good chance there is a difference in the habitat on the boundary that will tell you where the line is. That’s not a legal description, but won’t be hard to see.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 6:52 am to TigrrrDad
If you have the corners marked you can do it yourself, put a t post on each found corner, clear a line of sight between that and the next one and run a string
Mulching is expensive, about $150/ hour, and depending on vegetation can be several hours per acre, then you still have the mess of the mulched by product, you said you wanted to till that back into the soil, ???, you will need a hell of a tiller, I would get an estimate from someone with a dozer and track hoe
Mulching is expensive, about $150/ hour, and depending on vegetation can be several hours per acre, then you still have the mess of the mulched by product, you said you wanted to till that back into the soil, ???, you will need a hell of a tiller, I would get an estimate from someone with a dozer and track hoe
Posted on 6/26/20 at 7:22 am to Tigerpaw123
OP, find your lines and paint some tree trunks 6' up.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 7:31 am to TigrrrDad
Hire a good local reputable surveyor to do this please. This is not a great DIY project. If you mistakenly clear and fence some of your neighbors property it could cost you thousands of dollars to resolve. The surveyor can coordinate with the forestry mulcher to make sure these lines are accurate and legal.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:00 am to TigrrrDad
If it’s highly irregular shape I’d recommend getting a surveyor out there to avoid any issues with neighboring owners.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:14 am to Tigerpaw123
Just got a couple rough estimates so far, but dozing and burning was $3,000/acre, whereas mulching was $1,200/acre.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:18 am to Tigerpaw123
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If you have the corners marked you can do it yourself, put a t post on each found corner, clear a line of sight between that and the next one and run a string
But he said the property is not square
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:41 am to TigrrrDad
Typically in cases like this the surveyor works with the clearing contractor and surveys just ahead of the dozer doing the clearing. They will use GPS and keep the alignment and set preliminary stakes for the clearing then set lathes and property corners with rods behind the dozer following it as its cleared. I wouldn't just have the surveyor set stakes. They get run over and you typically don't ultimately know if they've been moved or if the boundary is correct.
Costs very greatly based on location and tree size. Is burning allowed or is it hauled off?
Boundary survey costs will vary based on lot configuration. Rectangle I would expect boundary in the $2500 range. Could go up from there.
Mulching is fine but it will only get trees less than 4". Typically will do that if there is thick underbrush only.
Costs very greatly based on location and tree size. Is burning allowed or is it hauled off?
Boundary survey costs will vary based on lot configuration. Rectangle I would expect boundary in the $2500 range. Could go up from there.
Mulching is fine but it will only get trees less than 4". Typically will do that if there is thick underbrush only.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:46 am to TigrrrDad
Where are you located?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:39 am to Jack Daniel
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But he said the property is not square
As long as the property lines are straight and not curved, the property still has corners. If it's not square, it just might have more corners. You still can mark the corners and string between consecutive corners to outline the property.
I absolutely would not try to DIY the surveying to mark corners. Pay a professional surveyor to come out and shoot the property to mark the corners. Then, if there are any frickups and you end up mulching your neighbor's trees, the surveyor will bear some or all of the liability for improperly marking the property.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:23 am to civiltiger07
The property isn’t curved -all straight lines and corners but a bunch of them.
Located in Folsom.
Located in Folsom.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:39 am to Jack Daniel
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But he said the property is not square
does not matter
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:15 pm to TigrrrDad
If you want a surveyor to go look at it my fishing buddy has his PLS and does side jobs on his own.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:04 am to TigrrrDad
If the corners are marked, there is a slim chance the lines between were cleared or possibly flagged. Doubtful but a chance. Either way, marking/flagging the lines between the corners can be done with a handheld compass and bearing info from your survey plat.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 8:06 am
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:59 am to White Bear
Being a surveyor some of the advise given here is interesting to say the least.
The survey plat should be signed and stamped by the surveyor in charge. Usually there is contact info., address and phone no. on the plat. Using the same firm again would be in your best interest because they are familiar with the property.
There are several solutions to do what you need done.
Visit with the surveyor to discuss what is the best option. My suggestion is to let him/her set one or more metal monuments along the lines plus temporary wooden stakes in between so the clearing crew has something to follow.
Don't do this your self especially with a compass, a mistake can cost a lot of money. Bearing on a plat vs. compass bearing can vary greatly. A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.
The survey plat should be signed and stamped by the surveyor in charge. Usually there is contact info., address and phone no. on the plat. Using the same firm again would be in your best interest because they are familiar with the property.
There are several solutions to do what you need done.
Visit with the surveyor to discuss what is the best option. My suggestion is to let him/her set one or more metal monuments along the lines plus temporary wooden stakes in between so the clearing crew has something to follow.
Don't do this your self especially with a compass, a mistake can cost a lot of money. Bearing on a plat vs. compass bearing can vary greatly. A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 9:20 am to rodnreel
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Being a surveyor some of the advise given here is interesting to say the least.
The survey plat should be signed and stamped by the surveyor in charge. Usually there is contact info., address and phone no. on the plat. Using the same firm again would be in your best interest because they are familiar with the property.
There are several solutions to do what you need done.
Visit with the surveyor to discuss what is the best option. My suggestion is to let him/her set one or more metal monuments along the lines plus temporary wooden stakes in between so the clearing crew has something to follow.
Don't do this your self especially with a compass, a mistake can cost a lot of money. Bearing on a plat vs. compass bearing can vary greatly. A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.
As someone who is knowledgeable in the auto glass industry I agree with all this regarding land surveying
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