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re: How Well-Intentioned White Families Can Perpetuate Racism
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:03 am to Muthsera
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:03 am to Muthsera
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When we think about parents calling up the school and demanding that their child have the best math teacher, what does that mean for the kids who don’t get the best math teacher?
Out of everything you quoted, this is the only part that’s an actual “perpetuation.” Everything else is generalized vague bullshite.
And even with this example, it’s bullshite. I’ve worked in numerous schools and know people who have worked in other schools and all schools tell parents to buzz off if they demand preferential choice with teachers.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:04 am to Muthsera
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I don’t have any children, but I care very deeply about other people’s kids
Should have lead with this. I could have stopped reading there
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:06 am to Muthsera
I remember this author from something else. Isn’t she a huge race apologist?
Oh and this is the opening paragraph
Embedded in suburbs. Ha
Oh and this is the opening paragraph
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The sociologist Margaret Hagerman spent two years embedded in upper-middle-class white households, listening in on conversations about race.
Embedded in suburbs. Ha
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:06 am to jrobic4
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Should have lead with this. I could have stopped reading there
Seriously, fricking Atlantic
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:07 am to Muthsera
I want little Johnny to get the best math teacher so he can get an academic scholarship like his black friends.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:08 am to Tri City Tigers
If every parent wanted nothing but the best for their own, we wouldn't be having to worry about voting on "better policy for all."
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:09 am to Muthsera
Silly
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:09 am to Vastmind
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know many virtue signaling leftists that sacrifice their kids in public schools. It’s not helping.
Are they virtue signaling if they're backing it up?
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:12 am to Hulkklogan
They can be virtue signaling about lots of other things than public education. They just may not be virtue signaling for this one topic
This post was edited on 5/17/20 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:12 am to Muthsera
1. I wonder who is paying for this two year “study?”
2. This chick is easily the biggest racist in the whole article. The racism of low expectations is worse than anything she cites.
2. This chick is easily the biggest racist in the whole article. The racism of low expectations is worse than anything she cites.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:14 am to Muthsera
this ties in with JBE's recent comments telling citizens to ignore their rights and "do the right thing"
how citizens view society is a sliding scale from extreme individualism to extreme collectivism. these arguments are a plea for people go give up their individualism and submit to the collective "good" of society. this whole distinction is becoming much more stratified along the urban-rural divide that exploded after the 2009 stimulus.
Left, Right, Democrat, Republican, Capitalist, Socialist, Communist, Moderate, etc. are irrelevant. these are labels that can apply anywhere on the spectrum i listed, if you tweak it enough. you have to learn to ignore these labels and see it in terms of individual-collective to understand what's going on.
how citizens view society is a sliding scale from extreme individualism to extreme collectivism. these arguments are a plea for people go give up their individualism and submit to the collective "good" of society. this whole distinction is becoming much more stratified along the urban-rural divide that exploded after the 2009 stimulus.
Left, Right, Democrat, Republican, Capitalist, Socialist, Communist, Moderate, etc. are irrelevant. these are labels that can apply anywhere on the spectrum i listed, if you tweak it enough. you have to learn to ignore these labels and see it in terms of individual-collective to understand what's going on.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:14 am to Oilfieldbiology
Fair point, but since we're talking about public schools I figured he meant they virtue signal about this topic.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:14 am to Muthsera
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So the dark side is that, ultimately, people are thinking about their own kids, and that can come at the expense of other people’s kids.
White guilt liberals talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. Why don’t you practice what you preach first then we might take serious?
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:15 am to TheChosenOne
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Man, she better not follow Asian families. Her head may explode.
lot of anti-Asian racism going on with NYC public school policies, currently. they aren't even counted as minorities when it's not suitable
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:16 am to Muthsera
Liberal females are insane
And i wonder how often she heads to the inner city to help those poor blacks?
And i wonder how often she heads to the inner city to help those poor blacks?
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:19 am to Muthsera
IMO, the conversation was better the first couple of times this was posted.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:20 am to Muthsera
Parents NOT caring about their kids is society's #1 problem.
She is so far liberal, she is missing the whole point of family and life.
People are individuals, yes, but it takes a good family to raise individuals and thus they can become a helping part to society.
She is so far liberal, she is missing the whole point of family and life.
People are individuals, yes, but it takes a good family to raise individuals and thus they can become a helping part to society.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:20 am to Muthsera
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I’m trying to show in the book that kids are growing up in these social environments that their parents shape. They’re having interactions with other people in these environments, and that’s, I think, where they’re developing their own ideas about race and privilege and inequality.
And because that idea of race and privilege are different than mine, they are wrong.
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One of the things I talk about in the book is what I call this “conundrum of privilege,” which is that these parents have a lot of resources economically as well as status as white people. They can then use those resources to set up their own child’s life in ways that give them the best education, the best health care, all the best things. And we have this collectively agreed-upon idea in our society that being a “good parent” means exactly that—providing the best opportunities you can for your own child.
Because frick your work ethic, talents, sacrifice and everything else. The only reason you have money is because you’re white.
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Pinsker: What would it look like for a white affluent parent to make a choice not to give their children “the best”? Is it a matter of not calling the school to get the best math teacher? Or is there a more proactive thing a parent might be able to do?
Hagerman: I think part of it is how we choose to define “the best.” Some of the parents in my book, they rejected the idea that their child needed to be in all the AP classes. They valued other elements of their children’s personalities, such as their concerns about ethics or fairness or social justice. There were a handful of parents in my study who resisted having a separate track for AP students, for example, which can sometimes be a segregating force within schools.
Because frick allowing high achievers to achieve. Rather than try to raise up those that want it, we must lower everyone to the common denominator.
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Hagerman: In my book, I’m trying to highlight this tension between the broad, overarching social structures that organize all of our lives and the individual choices that people make from within these structures. So yeah, if we had equal educational opportunities, people would not be able to make choices that would confer advantages to their child over someone else’s child, right? That wouldn’t even be a possibility. Certainly, the structural level really matters.
But the best answer I can really give is that the micro level potentially could shape what goes on at the institutional or structural level. I really think—and this might sound kind of crazy—that white parents, and parents in general, need to understand that all children are worthy of their consideration. This idea that your own child is the most important thing—that’s something we could try to rethink.
Again, we need to make sure nobody prospers more, so rather than making policies that lift people up, we must make sure everyone is brought down to the same level.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:20 am to Muthsera
She’s an idiot.
This post was edited on 5/17/20 at 8:21 am
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:22 am to East Coast Band
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Parents NOT caring about their kids is society's #1 problem.
that's why looking at this problem from the individual level is wrong. if we looked at it from a societal level, this wouldn't matter b/c all parents would be sharing all of their collective resources, which reduces the risk of a "bad parent" having any ill effects on their children. over time, with this collective effort, the children of these "bad parents" will grow up in a more structured environment and understand their roles in helping society, which will decrease the "bad parents" with every generation.
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