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re: In a hundred years will people wants LSU to claim a 2011 title?
Posted on 5/16/20 at 5:48 pm to Walnut
Posted on 5/16/20 at 5:48 pm to Walnut
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To be honest, USC has less of a claim to 2003 than LSU has to 1908. I agree.
Wrong. The AP was recognized as one of the two legitimate polls that could declare a national champion at the time. They won the AP Poll and we won the Coaches Poll.
USC was a legitimate national champion that year. It’s not their fault that they finished the regular season #1 in all polls and still got excluded from the championship game. The Coaches Poll made us their champion because their contract with the BCS required it. However, most people outside of LSU felt like USC was the better team.
This post was edited on 5/16/20 at 5:50 pm
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Posted on 5/16/20 at 5:56 pm to Walnut
quote:To be honest, USC has ZERO claim to any 2003 National Championship. The AP poll they claim as being named champion was included as PART of the BCS poll which named Oklahoma and LSU one and two before the championship game. To separate the AP out of the BCS and claim it as a national championship is bogus and does not result in a "national" championship. It certainly does in no way shape or form equate the BCS championship so claims of a "split" title are just as bogus.
To be honest, USC has less of a claim to 2003 than LSU has to 1908. I agree.
In the days before the BCS, there were many national championships awarded by the UPI and the AP. Since they were the two most prominent news groups, over the years these two were considered legitimate national championships in college football. Once the BCS came along, the UPI and AP polls took a back seat to the actual BCS Championship Game winner since it was won on the field of play. USC, as a member of the Pac 8 at the time had signed off to agree that the BCS was the actual championship process for college football. Claiming the AP title as they did unfairly robbed LSU of it's legitimate FULL CLAIM as national champions and should have resulted in the Pac 8 being thrown out of the BCS. They had agreed to abide by the rules of the BCS and then undermined the BCS that year with their ridiculous championship claim. Funny how a year later USC sees nothing wrong with being BCS national champions. Screw them.
USC didn't win shite in 2003. The AP was nothing more than a poll and is nowhere near as legitimate as an actual championship GAME.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 6:14 pm to Paul Maul number 37
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To be honest, USC has ZERO claim to any 2003 National Championship. The AP poll they claim as being named champion was included as PART of the BCS poll which named Oklahoma and LSU one and two before the championship game. To separate the AP out of the BCS and claim it as a national championship is bogus and does not result in a "national" championship. It certainly does in no way shape or form equate the BCS championship so claims of a "split" title are just as bogus. In the days before the BCS, there were many national championships awarded by the UPI and the AP. Since they were the two most prominent news groups, over the years these two were considered legitimate national championships in college football. Once the BCS came along, the UPI and AP polls took a back seat to the actual BCS Championship Game winner since it was won on the field of play. USC, as a member of the Pac 8 at the time had signed off to agree that the BCS was the actual championship process for college football. Claiming the AP title as they did unfairly robbed LSU of it's legitimate FULL CLAIM as national champions and should have resulted in the Pac 8 being thrown out of the BCS. They had agreed to abide by the rules of the BCS and then undermined the BCS that year with their ridiculous championship claim. Funny how a year later USC sees nothing wrong with being BCS national champions. Screw them. USC didn't win shite in 2003. The AP was nothing more than a poll and is nowhere near as legitimate as an actual championship GAME.
One of the most delusional posts on here. In 2003, the the AP Poll and the Coaches Poll were the two polls that were considered to be legitimate authorities on declaring a national champion. The Coaches Poll had a contract to declare the winner of the BCS championship as their champion. The AP was not bound to doing so. They simply left USC at #1 where they finished the regular season.
And honestly, most people thought USC was better, except for LSU fans.
This post was edited on 5/16/20 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 5/16/20 at 6:57 pm to TexasTiger08
The real question is if Bama would have still claimed it if they lost.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 7:10 pm to TexasTiger08
Well, if you look at the final BCS rankings in sports illustrated, the 13-1 LSU was 1 and the 12-1 Bama was number 2, having split games and LSU with more victories.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 9:28 pm to cbree88
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And honestly, most people thought USC was better, except for LSU fans.
Yeah... No
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:25 pm to TexasTiger08
Boy. That's a deep thought.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 12:37 am to cbree88
quote:Excuse me but once a championship game came along, both the AP and UPI polls lost their previous luster in relationship to the BCS Championship game winner. More so for the AP as it was already factored into the BCS formula for selecting the two final teams. That all of the major conferences signed on to the BCS as the way to determine the national championship further diminishes the "poll" champions. The AP and UPI poll used to be considered basically equal to one another but after the BCS came along they BOTH became meaningless compared to the actual championship game winner. The Pac 8 and the Big Ten agreed to have their teams forego the Rose Bowl if selected for the championship game. USC's team goal was to win the BCS championship game, not win the Rose Bowl that year. That they were given what was seen at the time as a partial championship was a direct insult to the LSU team which played by the rules agreed to before the season by EVERYONE, including USC that the BCS was the system that would declare a champion. Changing your mind as USC did because they didn't get the championship game invite does not in any way shape or form make them a champion. It makes them a crybaby.
In 2003, the the AP Poll and the Coaches Poll were the two polls that were considered to be legitimate authorities on declaring a national champion. The Coaches Poll had a contract to declare the winner of the BCS championship as their champion. The AP was not bound to doing so. They simply left USC at #1 where they finished the regular season.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 1:05 am to cbree88
No they weren't. Just a beauty contest by a bunch of West Coast writers. They didn't win it on the field and not a legitimate claim.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 2:33 am to cbree88
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USC was a legitimate national champion that year. It’s not their fault that they finished the regular season #1 in all polls and still got excluded from the championship game. The Coaches Poll made us their champion because their contract with the BCS required it. However, most people outside of LSU felt like USC was the better team.
I remember when Pete Carroll said, "I think we just won the national championship."
Show me where the crystal football that's indicative of who the national championship is. I know where it is because I stood right in front of it.
USC was good and I think it should've been USC/LSU.
It is what it is. Talk about it all you want. The crystal football for that year resides in BR.
This post was edited on 5/17/20 at 3:53 am
Posted on 5/17/20 at 3:11 am to TexasTiger08
No but Hell no.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 3:43 am to HuckFinn
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Nah ! Won’t happen. In 1908 LSU was slighted because an investigation caused by Tulane. LSU was ultimately cleared of any wrong doing. Auburn was declared National Champion and that Auburn team only had 1 loss all year long; they lost 10-2 to LSU. LSU has a legitimate claim to the National Title in 1908. If USC can claim the 2003 Natty then LSU can claim the 1908 Natty. LSU was retroactively crowned champion as I understand how the story goes.
Auburn declared it self SIAA champion, not the national champion.
The Investigation has roots at Tulane, but the real power was Michigan, Grantland Rice and the Joe Curtis' kin folks and Michigan alum.
The investigation on LSU starts due to the Smith brothers in 1905, Tulane said they were ringers and playing under false names. All three players are from Michigan played using their real names, it is only a matter of our coach played baseball at Michigan and knew these players and brought them down to Louisiana.
Now the real story of the 1905 matter is can you believe LSU hired a baseball player as our football coach? Think on that one a little and see how much college football changed just between 1902 and 1910. Forward pass, your not going to see hiring of none football coaches, etc.
This post was edited on 5/17/20 at 3:45 am
Posted on 5/17/20 at 6:48 am to TexasTiger08
He actually makes a decent point. If we're claiming whatever, claim whatever.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 7:01 am to TexasTiger08
Let's see... there was a National Championship game and LSU got that arse beat. Sure, let's ask the fans if LSU will eventually claim the 2011 title. FRICK NO!!
Posted on 5/17/20 at 7:46 am to TexasTiger08
I can’t wait for things to open up, because these threads are just stupid
Posted on 5/17/20 at 7:52 am to la_birdman
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remember when Pete Carroll said, "I think we just won the national championship." Show me where the crystal football that's indicative of who the national championship is. I know where it is because I stood right in front of it. USC was good and I think it should've been USC/LSU. It is what it is. Talk about it all you want. The crystal football for that year resides in BR.
Actually, the crystal football is just the Coaches Poll trophy. The AP awards a trophy to its champion as well, which USC received.
LINK
Like it or not, the AP and Coaches Poll both declared national champions, and at that time they were both considered legitimate authorities for doing so. LSU would absolutely claim the title if it was the other way around.
This post was edited on 5/17/20 at 7:58 am
Posted on 5/17/20 at 8:47 am to TexasTiger08
Dear God.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 9:04 am to TexasTiger08
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In a hundred years will people want LSU to claim a 2011 title?
no, here's why:
1908 team won every game they played.
2011 team won every game they played, except the one that mattered.
/thread
Posted on 5/17/20 at 9:09 am to Penrod
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If Clemson claims 2019 then sure.
I missed the part where Clemson beat us in BR and we didn’t even win our own division... terrible take.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 9:15 am to Walnut
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