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re: Christian Bale....heir to the "biggest movie star" throne?

Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:31 pm to
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You could have put anybody in the Spider-Man suit and made a ton of money. The Spider-Man character sold those movies, not Tobey Maguire

I agree, see my last post.

But that doesn't mean that TM is not a huge movie star because of the Spiderman movies.
Posted by lsufan9193969700
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:31 pm to
Maybe I should have said "joke in context to the initial post"...


I am not saying he isn't mildly enjoyable from time to time, but look at his movies and numbers. He is not the heir to the tile of biggest movie star.
Pitts movies
Posted by J Murdah
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:32 pm to
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you and redneck are like peas and carrots.


I dont get it. Did he say the same thing?
Posted by Augustus
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:33 pm to
That's the difference between being recognizable and being a star. People go see your movies solely because you're in them if you're a star. Examples like Will Smith, Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington prove that. Tobey Maguire and Christian Bale are recognizable. This isn't a debate about actual acting talent, it's just talking about different tiers of star power.

Bale isn't even the biggest draw in his own movie. Ledger is (was?).
Posted by Augustus
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:34 pm to
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But that doesn't mean that TM is not a huge movie star because of the Spiderman movies.

So you think people would flock to a non-Spider Man movie just because Tobey Maguire was in it?
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:36 pm to
No, not necessarily. But SM has made Tobey Maguire more of a household name in terms of movie stars.
Posted by Augustus
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:36 pm to
I think you and I have different definitions of "huge movie stars" then.
Posted by keakdasneak
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:41 pm to
i'm not a big fan but Russell Crowe would have to be somewhere in this argument, right?
Posted by lsufan9193969700
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:44 pm to
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i'm not a big fan but Russell Crowe would have to be somewhere in this argument, right?

Are you saying that he should be in discussion with the like of Will Smith?
If so, I say no. His numbers are worse than Pitt's(which I posted above).
Crowe's numbers
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:45 pm to
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I think you and I have different definitions of "huge movie stars" then.

I'm just talking more about recognizability, and you're talking about bankability.

Are you saying that Tobey Maguire is the same "size" of a movie star as he was before the SM series?
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:45 pm to
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i'm not a big fan but Russell Crowe would have to be somewhere in this argument, right?

Why?
Posted by Augustus
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 2:48 pm to
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I'm just talking more about recognizability, and you're talking about bankability.

If we're talking about movie stars, I think bankability is more important. Who cares if people know you if they don't rush to see your movies?

quote:

Are you saying that Tobey Maguire is the same "size" of a movie star as he was before the SM series?

No, he's higher, but he's still nowhere close to the top echelon of movie stars.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 3:04 pm to
No love for Johnny Depp?
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 3:07 pm to
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No love for Johnny Depp?


does he not fit into the aforementioned "series" discussion?
Posted by lsufan9193969700
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 3:08 pm to
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No love for Johnny Depp?




does he not fit into the aforementioned "series" discussion?


He definitly does. He has been the star in a trilogy that has exceded a billion dollars domestically in the last 5 years.
This post was edited on 7/17/08 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Mikes My Tiger
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 3:29 pm to
I'm surprised that no one is bringing up Leonardo DiCaprio when he is easily a biggest star out of his peers (I don't consider Smith his peer). Seriously, Tobey Maguire is a joke. If he wouldn't be for Spiderman, he would be nothing. He's a mediocre actor at best. I think Bale is on the rise, and he has the potential to pass Leo maybe in the starpower aspect, but I don't think he'll ever be a better actor.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 4:03 pm to
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does he not fit into the aforementioned "series" discussion?

frick if I know. The "discussion" got tiresome after 5 posts. I just skimmed and saw that no one had mentioned Depp. Do you really think Sweeny fricking Todd would have gotten any nominations without him?

And just because Tom Hanks hasn't been heard from in a while (filming Da Vinci Code and Toy Story sequels) doesn't mean he's not a huge draw (filming Da Vinci Code and Toy Story sequels). Not everyone is 22 years old.
Posted by lsujro
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 4:07 pm to
bale coming on strong. i think hes a good actor (see prestige & am. psycho as said above) but he's choosing more hollywood type roles. i think batman has been a great career move for him, but i dono about terminator. it just seems overplayed to me.

smith is huge and isn't going anywhere. if his name is attached, the film will do well.

hanks is f-in up with the davinci code mess imo.

ford will probably die soon

cruise could still be a draw, but he's done shite movies lately. a star like smith could pull $$ for them, but cruise's personal life has hurt his ability to bring in moviegoers
Posted by Chief Illiniwek
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 9:44 pm to
I would have to say that Christian Bale is probably one of the most underrated actors in the business.

Some of you may not like the so called "indie" films he was in or have not even seen them, but to say that he is not a good actor, well...let's just say you're in the minority.

He obviously could make a run at being the biggest movie star AFTER Dark Knight, but his acting is well above par.

American Psycho was good, but check out The Machinist and his role in that. Check out Rescue Dawn. Check out Harsh Times. He is a brilliant actor.

With upcoming movies of The Terminator and Public Enemies with Johnny Depp, directed by Michael Mann, and produced by Robert DeNiro? Oh and Killing Pablo, a movie based on the capture of Pablo Escobar? He will give Will Smith a run for his money as biggest Movie star sooner than you think.
Posted by Chief Illiniwek
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Posted on 7/17/08 at 9:47 pm to
Oh and not to mention that Steven Spielberg who found him as an actor, there's no doubt that there's probably something in the works for him to work with Spielberg again.

Especially after how well Dark Knight will do.
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