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re: Nursing Home Covid Deaths By State: Even more reason to open this up.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:14 am to jim712
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:14 am to jim712
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Is everyone who posts here a right wing loon?
A thread about LTC/Nursing home deaths by state with actual data behind it is considered “right wing”
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Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:17 am to Golfer
He's just mad we aren't wetting our pants and demanding we shut the country down for the next five years like he is.
Over/under on him being a government employee?
Over/under on him being a government employee?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:32 am to jlntiger
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Last place I am sending my parent or even my in laws is a nursing home
Careful.
Nursing homes get bastardized but when a loved one has a massive stroke and is paralyzed on one side you have the equipment to handle that at home? Do you have the time to stay with them full time? Are you prepared for that to be your life? Same for dementia, diabetic wounds, End stage renal disease.
Nursing homes are not pleasant to visit but they are absolutely necessary.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:37 am to LSUJML
quote:That is stupid staff not following instructions.
I’m not in the medical profession but staff handing out meals that ARE NOT WEARING GLOVES is insane to me
quote:Of course it makes sense. It can potentially reduce introduction into the facility and eventually prevent it from spreading from the facility to visitors.
I’m not a medical professional but stopping visitors... makes no sense
quote:They absolutely can make the staff wear masks without the need of LDH approval.
Maybe admins aren’t allowed to make their staff wear masks until LDH mandates
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:40 am to SnoopyD
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, have done everything we have been instructed to do. We have been ahead of most of the the guidelines from CDC, CMS, And the LDH. Even though we have done that, infection is still spreading
Wait. Y'all are wearing masks and it doesn't stop the spread?!!
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:41 am to FlatTownDawgTiger
Is there any data about prisons by state? Seems Louisiana would have the highest prison cases since they have tested every inmate.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:41 am to uway
quote:It slows the spread and some people who might have been exposed wont be because of masks, but no, it's not 100%.
Wait. Y'all are wearing masks and it doesn't stop the spread?!!
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:43 am to Jake88
Realistically, unless you never allow staff to leave and you ban visitors forever it will eventually move through every facility.
Not even counting ER visits which we love to think are sterile but in truth ERs are nasty.
Or Dialysis centers which were very late to the party when it comes to protecting individuals.
Not even counting ER visits which we love to think are sterile but in truth ERs are nasty.
Or Dialysis centers which were very late to the party when it comes to protecting individuals.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:45 am to Purple Spoon
Agreed
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:16 am to SnoopyD
quote:1+. Therein lies the problem. Workers are infectious, long before they experience symptoms and MANY don't experience symptoms. NH's and hospitals have developed good questionnaires to ask of workers and check temperature of workers before allowing them to enter the facility. But what good is any of that if a large % of those currently infected and contagious w/ covid don't have symptoms (some studies are suggesting as many as 30-40% of covid patients don't have symptoms)? For the worker who gets covid and develops symptoms, they were still contagious and shedding virus to all their contacts for 2-3 days before developing symptoms. Given this, how can one prevent covid from entering a NH? That's where all these agencies and government have let us down. Where are the SPECIFIC guidelines from the CDC to prevent covid from entering a NH? What we've go now doesn't work. Where is the rapid, affordable and easily done PCR testing for covid that could be done by a HS graduate or LPN on workers entering the health care facility? That way one could pick up covid workers in the early stages of the illness and ward off the patients exposed to that worker before covid has gone through the entire facility. To test for covid, a nursing home can't afford a $90K device and a lab tech to run the device. Sometimes one can't help but wonder: Is the government really interested in shutting down covid in the nursing homes??
Your got an infection that that is contagious but invisible for 4-11 days,
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:28 am to SnoopyD
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We have a strong lobby, yes. We have to have that or we would be even further underfunded, but no one wants to listen to that.
Because its frickin bs. The nursing home industry is the 2nd most corrupt in LA behind the Trial lawyer.
Every year nursing homes take more and more of the public funds share while home care which is better and cheaper gets less. And yet the nursing home care in LA is ranked 50th in the country
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:14 pm to Midtiger farm
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while home care which is better and cheaper gets less
I agree with you that nursing home operators(not necessarily on sight workers) are crooked and in bed with greasy arse politicians however at home care is not comparable. Far more instances of abuse and neglect happen in the elderly own homes than happen in Nursing Homes. I have seen absolutely horrible living conditions and treatment of people that would lead to criminal charges if it happened in a nursing home.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:20 pm to FlatTownDawgTiger
Agree with you but did we really need the 357th thread started about this ?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:23 pm to Purple Spoon
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I agree with you that nursing home operators(not necessarily on sight workers) are crooked and in bed with greasy arse politicians however at home care is not comparable. Far more instances of abuse and neglect happen in the elderly own homes than happen in Nursing Homes. I have seen absolutely horrible living conditions and treatment of people that would lead to criminal charges if it happened in a nursing home
Yet every state in this country except LA is moving further away from the nursing home model every year
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:25 pm to LSUJML
Camelot in Broussard had pics on their fb page of ladies getting nails done and talks of a "margarita party" this week.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:30 pm to LSUJML
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Once symptomatic they are sent to hospital for test, if negative they go back to nursing home
This we did not do. Staff tested -- you got sent to the hospital by 1) family request or 2) you weren't stable and wouldn't keep your oxygen on (dementia patients are difficult y'all)
We emptied a wing and brought those with symptoms there .. the first two were negative and they went to their rooms. Hall remained empty.
After positives started happening they started filling that wing. I mean it was that or keep a positive person with their roommate.
The nurses on that hall were the nurse, the CNA, the housekeeper -- not sure about maintenance as we only have one guy so I suspect that if it could wait, it did and if it couldn't it didn't.
LDH never set foot in the building .. the nurse sent back a lol emoji when I asked if they came to help or sent a "strike team". Ou people WERE the strike team.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:32 pm to LSUJML
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I’m not in the medical profession but staff handing out meals that ARE NOT WEARING GLOVES is insane to me, regardless of if there is a pandemic or not
And this I can tell you goes against standard as "gloves make you comfortable" and it's a regulation (the state, not mine) to not serve with gloves on.
I hope you realize I'm not arguing with you at all -- just trying to saw how some things were just messed up to start.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:34 pm to Purple Spoon
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Careful.
Nursing homes get bastardized but when a loved one has a massith them full time? Are you prepared for that to be your life? Same for dementia, diabetic wounds, End stage renal disease.
Nursing homes are not pleasant to visit but they are absolutely necessary.ive stroke and is paralyzed on one side you have the equipment to handle that at home? Do you have the time to stay w
I truly admire those who try ... we've had admits from home who were in deplorable condition when they arrived ... bedsores, malnourished ... not all but some. It is very hard to care for ill people sometimes have needs beyond what a caregiver at home can do.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:35 pm to SnoopyD
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In the long term care setting, the setting where i make my living, this thing is impossible to stop once it’s in. Your got an infection that that is contagious but invisible for 4-11 days, as we have been told. We, along with many of my colleagues and counterparts, have done everything we have been instructed to do. We have been ahead of most of the the guidelines from CDC, CMS, And the LDH. Even though we have done that, infection is still spreading. You couple that with residents who have most every comorbitity that you should avoid, death is a real possibility. That said, you won’t hear about how the majority of our residents have or are recovering.
We have a strong lobby, yes. We have to have that or we would be even further underfunded, but no one wants to listen to that.
^^^
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:38 pm to Midtiger farm
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Yet every state in this country except LA is moving further away from the nursing home model every year
The number of nursing home patients is increasing and is projected to continue to increase.
Nursing homes are not going away. In a perfect world yes, everyone would have family at home capable and willing of taking care of them but that is not reality.
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