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re: Society breaks down and you have to make it in a subsistence agriculture situation
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:00 pm to Cracker
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:00 pm to Cracker
A spring house
A root cellar
A corn crib
A smoke house
1 acre corn (mostly for feed)
1 acre "other"
10 acres forest for firewood and lumber (limited hunting)
Chicken house
Stable for goats or hog
House area cleared 100+ ft on all sides to protect from wildfires
-basically everything I've seen at the historic homesteads I've toured, a cool one near the Okefenokee and another cool one called Russell Farmstead on the SC side of the Chatooga river. I love touring old farmsteads.
A root cellar
A corn crib
A smoke house
1 acre corn (mostly for feed)
1 acre "other"
10 acres forest for firewood and lumber (limited hunting)
Chicken house
Stable for goats or hog
House area cleared 100+ ft on all sides to protect from wildfires
-basically everything I've seen at the historic homesteads I've toured, a cool one near the Okefenokee and another cool one called Russell Farmstead on the SC side of the Chatooga river. I love touring old farmsteads.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:02 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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This is where a bunch of fat guys on .25 acre in the suburbs say they can live off the land in a post apocalyptic world
Good luck to them constantly tripping over their own piss and shite after the first week or so.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:10 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Let’s say you grow rice. A very very crappy stand of rice might yield 5 barrels per acre. Like I’d imagine most people who could survive long enough to harvest a crop following an apocalyptic type event could achieve this. What else would you have to do?
That’s 500lb of rice on 1 acre. So depending on how fat you are, do the math.
That’s 500lb of rice on 1 acre. So depending on how fat you are, do the math.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:14 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
All I grow is various types of peppers so I would have to do my best to barter those for some toilet paper and meat
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:15 pm to jimbeam
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That’s 500lb of rice on 1 acre. So depending on how fat you are, do the math.
Anyone farming a whole acre of rice by hand and by themselves isn't going to be fat for long.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:18 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
I’ve got 1.6 in south Florida. We already grow tomatoes, peppers, carrots, kale, broccoli, bananas, papaya, mangos, limes, strawberries. Bring that apocalypse.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:19 pm to Bard
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Anyone farming a whole acre of rice by hand and by themselves isn't going to be fat for long.
That's what I was thinking. frick that noise I'll stick to my little food forest.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:23 pm to Centinel
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frick that noise I'll stick to my little food forest.
Once you have reached peak production and ecological stability - build pillboxes.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:24 pm to Bard
makes you wonder why the Chinese aren’t fat huh?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:25 pm to Centinel
Why are we even worried about size here? Societal breakdown means there will be plenty of farmland around as people kill each other.
If I'm planning land now, I sure want more than 5-10 acres anyway.
If I'm planning land now, I sure want more than 5-10 acres anyway.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:26 pm to baldona
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If I'm planning land now, I sure want more than 5-10 acres anyway.
The real thing to stockpile is seeds, equipment, and guns.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:27 pm to baldona
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Societal breakdown means there will be plenty of farmland around as people kill each other.
I doubt that. The killing won't be happening in rural flyover country. It'll be in the major urban population centers and suburbs, and those idiots will be too busy fighting over the scraps in grocery stores to bother trying to go out in the country to farms for food. .
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:28 pm to HempHead
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The real thing to stockpile is seeds
This will be the thing most people will miss. And is what will sink them.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:28 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
There’s a lot of factors like number of people you are feeding and what kind of preserving abilities you have access to.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:29 pm to Centinel
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I doubt that. The killing won't be happening in rural flyover country. It'll be in the major urban population centers and suburbs, and those idiots will be too busy fighting over the scraps in grocery stores to bother trying to go out in the country to farms for food.
Plenty of people that live in the city own land in the country.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:30 pm to AndyCBR
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Man you better have a green thumb to live off that acreage.
In the old days if someone tried to live off that plot of land they would also be bartering their services to others in exchange for additional food to supplement. IE trade your carpentry work for eggs if you didn’t keep chickens.
If you want to live as an island with 1 acre that would be very difficult.
I produced over 100 lbs of vegetables on about 250 sq ft last year. Unless you are throwing beef/pork into your agricultural operation, you could do alright on an acre. I have 2 blueberry bushes, 6 strawberry plants, 2 blackberries, and 2 garden plots on MAYBE 500 sq ft. Am I going to live off of that? Not entirely. But it's a pretty good start. Add meat from hunting and fishing, and some fruit/greens/mushrooms from foraging, and I can provide a good chunk of the food for my family of 4.
ETA: Now, more acres is definitely better to produce your own meat, but not necessary if you can hunt and fish.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:30 pm to Centinel
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This will be the thing most people will miss. And is what will sink them.
Another good resource is foraging guides. There are a LOT of edible wild grasses, herbs, fruits, etc., especially in the South. You just gotta know what the frick it is you're trying to eat.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:37 pm to HempHead
All these would be farmers.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:38 pm to HempHead
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Another good resource is foraging guides
My wife is still irritated that it takes us forever to walk through Congaree Swamp because of this.
It's not MY fault the place is loaded with pawpaws....
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