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First case of COVID-19 in France traced back to December 27

Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:42 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69117 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:42 am
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French scientists have identified the earliest-known case of COVID-19 in the nation: a patient who was treated in a hospital near Paris in December, an indication that the virus has been spreading across the world for far longer than had previously been known.

The doctors from the Groupe Hospitalier Paris Seine in Saint-Denis said a sample taken from a 42-year-old fishmonger, admitted to the emergency room on Dec. 27, had tested positive for the coronavirus.

The man reported coughing up blood, a headache and a fever. He was eventually admitted to the intensive care unit, though he recovered and was discharged on Dec. 29.

The discovery dramatically alters the timeline of the coronavirus, which has been responsible for more than 3.5 million confirmed COVID-19 cases around the world, including 169,000 in France, as well as more than a quarter-million deaths. The man's admission to the hospital came four days before the first reports of a cluster of unusual pneumonia cases in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak.


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The French doctors identified the first case by re-testing samples taken from patients between early December and the middle of January, when the country confirmed its first case of the coronavirus. The doctors examined 124 samples taken from patients who had presented influenza-like illnesses, 80 of whom tested negative for viruses like influenza or other more common coronaviruses. Fourteen patients were identified as potentially suffering from the coronavirus, and one tested positive for the virus.

The doctors said the man showed symptoms consistent with those of patients who tested positive later in China and Italy, thought to be the site of the first significant spread of the virus in Europe.

"COVID-19 is considered to be responsible for 86,334 cases and 12,210 deaths as of April 10, 2020 in France, but our findings suggest that these numbers could be underestimating the actual burden of COVID-19," the doctors wrote.

The United States has found its own earlier cases of the coronavirus than initially thought. The Santa Clara, Calif., medical examiner's office recently reclassified the death of a woman in early February as being due to the coronavirus, about three weeks before the first known death on American soil.


The Hill
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:45 am to
So, Covid has been spreading around the globe for a lot longer than we thought, and yet hospitals weren't overwhelmed?
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
18331 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:45 am to
This isn’t surprising. Many people here had it back then as well. The number of people who have had it is far greater than the little testing propoganda JBE puts out. Yet somehow we survived without a lockdown.


It’s time to open this shite up.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 6:46 am
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:47 am to
Time to order 750,000 more ventilators
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69117 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:49 am to
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So, Covid has been spreading around the globe for a lot longer than we thought, and yet hospitals weren't overwhelmed?


Yeah...I think the theory that this thing first leaked out of the lab in October/November might be a plausible one. I kinda want to get an anti-body test now because of where I live. I'm well within walking distance of Reagan National Airport and would hang out in sports bars on Sunday watching NFL games with people who had just gotten off flights.

Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22535 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:03 am to
It was before that. I have a friend that has tested positive for antibodies, and he had it early January in Denver. No way he was one of the first people with it.

So it has had 4 months to spread at least, and how much of the world gas gotten it?

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35370 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:04 am to
Meh. Although false positives should be extremely rare for diagnostic testing, I bet this was one of them.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14261 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:05 am to
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Meh. Although false positives should be extremely rare for diagnostic testing, I bet this was one of them.



lol wut
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35370 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:05 am to
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It was before that. I have a friend that has tested positive for antibodies, and he had it early January in Denver.
Speaking of false positives, they are far more likely with antibody testing, so it’s probably more likely your friend never had it in the first place.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66824 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:06 am to
I posted a story from the WSJ yesterday about possible cases in November here in America
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12419 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:08 am to
Impossible. We have been told (including by many on this board) that the virus emerged from the Wuhan wet market in December.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35370 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:09 am to
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lol wut
I bet this is a false positive. In fact, infectious disease scientists are already speculating that this is the case based on the amplification curve and the unusual lack of biological markers. Plus the patient responded quickly to anti-BACTERIAL medication.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 7:10 am
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:10 am to
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based on the amplification curve and the unusual lack of biological marker


Link?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35370 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:14 am to
Gaetan Burgio
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the patient never traveled to China or anywhere else seems really bizarre. 2/ the biological markers of inflammation were quite low, which is atypical for a #COVID19 patient. 3/ the rapid recovery (2 days) after antibiotics treatment looks more bacterial infection to me
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But the most important point is the #SARSCoV2 RT PCR positive. Looking at the amplification curve, this doesn't look convincing at all (late amplification). Looks very much a false positive to me. Sequencing the virus would have allowed to compare to existing sequenced viruses
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23258 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:27 am to
Yeah I’m skeptical here and I’m all open back up. How does a fish monger get it? He’d have to be multiple people down the line of spread from China most likely unless someone from China buys fish from him.

Eta: I’m also completely confused by the liberal search for the original cases. They are trying to say it being around a lot longer is bad, yet that’s actually a good thing.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 7:29 am
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
89995 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:28 am to
It got here from Europe.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3196 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:30 am to
I’m done getting excited about good news. It seems that no matter how much evidence comes out supporting how non-lethal this virus is, the fricking charade continues full steam. I guess there’s too much opportunity for media types to use phrases like “new normal” and “soft opening”.
Posted by razorbackfan4life
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2011
8947 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:32 am to
My dad came back from Mexico mid December. Said he went through customs in Dallas, and there were a bunch of Asian people around him coughing.

Three days after his return, he started running a fever and coughing. Said his breathing was really labored.

He's not one to complain, but whatever he had really did a number on him for a week.



Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:37 am to
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2/ the biological markers of inflammation were quite low, which is atypical for a #COVID19 patient. 3/ the rapid recovery (2 days) after antibiotics treatment looks more bacterial infection to me


Irrelevant in a mild case

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But the most important point is the #SARSCoV2 RT PCR positive. Looking at the amplification curve, this doesn't look convincing at all (late amplification). Looks very much a false positive to me


Sounds like confirmation bias. I’m sure the authors have explored the possibility of a false positive, but if not then let’s just sequence the virus and find out.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35370 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:40 am to
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Sounds like confirmation bias
Maybe, but there is a lot more confirmation bias risk for the researchers, akin to a journalist rushing to print a story before anyone else. Not that I think they did anything intentionally, but the science around the entire pandemic has been rushed, sloppy, and just lacking overall.
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