- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message

Where have all the heart attacks gone?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:46 am
LINK
quote:
Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone?
Except for treating Covid-19, many hospitals seem to be eerily quiet.
By Harlan M. Krumholz, M.D.
April 6, 2020
The hospitals are eerily quiet, except for Covid-19.
I have heard this sentiment from fellow doctors across the United States and in many other countries. We are all asking: Where are all the patients with heart attacks and stroke? They are missing from our hospitals.
Yale New Haven Hospital, where I work, has almost 300 people stricken with Covid-19, and the numbers keep rising — and yet we are not yet at capacity because of a marked decline in our usual types of patients. In more normal times, we never have so many empty beds.
Our hospital is usually so full that patients wait in gurneys along the walls of the emergency department for a bed to become available on the general wards or even in the intensive care unit. We send people home from the hospital as soon as possible so we can free up beds for those who are waiting. But the pandemic has caused a previously unimaginable shift in the demand for hospital services.
Some of the excess capacity is indeed by design. We canceled elective procedures, though many of those patients never needed hospitalization. We are now providing care at home through telemedicine, but those services are for stable outpatients, not for those who are acutely ill.
What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared. Heart attack and stroke teams, always poised to rush in and save lives, are mostly idle. This is not just at my hospital. My fellow cardiologists have shared with me that their cardiology consultations have shrunk, except those related to Covid-19. In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction.
And this is not a phenomenon specific to the United States. Investigators from Spain reported a 40 percent reduction in emergency procedures for heart attacks during the last week of March compared with the period just before the pandemic hit.
And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease.
The most concerning possible explanation is that people stay home and suffer rather than risk coming to the hospital and getting infected with coronavirus. This theory suggests that Covid-19 has instilled fear of face-to-face medical care. As a result, many people with urgent health problems may be opting to remain at home rather than call for help. And when they do finally seek medical attention, it is often only after their condition has worsened. Doctors from Hong Kong reported an increase in patients coming to the hospital late in the course of their heart attack, when treatment is less likely to be lifesaving.
There are other possible explanations for the missing patients. In this time of social distancing, our meals, social interactions and physical activity patterns tend to be very different. Maybe we have removed some of the triggers for heart attacks and strokes, like excessive eating and drinking or abrupt periods of physical exertion. This theory merits research but seems unlikely to explain the dramatic changes we’re observing.
We actually expected to see more heart attacks during this time. Respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks. Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke. The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now. We urge people to get flu vaccines every year, in part, to protect their hearts.
Also, times of stress increase the risk of heart attacks and strokes. Depression, anxiety and frustration, feelings that the pandemic might exacerbate, are all associated with a doubling or more of heart attack risks. Work and life stress, which also may be higher with the acute disruptions we’ve all been going through, can markedly increase the risk of a heart attack. Moreover, events like earthquakes or terrorist attacks or war, in which an entire society is exposed to a stressor, are risk factors for heart attacks. Finally, Covid-19 can actually affect the heart, which should be increasing the number of patients with heart problems.
Experts are bringing together data to confirm these patterns. We hope to gain a greater understanding of their causes and consequences.
Meanwhile, the immediate message to patients is clear: Don’t delay needed treatment. If fear of the pandemic leads people to delay or avoid care, then the death rate will extend far beyond those directly infected by the virus. Time to treatment dictates the outcomes for people with heart attacks and strokes. These deaths may not be labeled Covid-19 deaths, but surely, they are collateral damage.
The public needs to know that hospitals are equipped not only to care for people with Covid-19 but also those who have other life-threatening health problems. Yes, we in health care are working to keep people out of the hospital if we can, but we can safely provide care for those people who are not sick from Covid-19. Masks and protective gear for health care workers and patients go a long way to ensure a safe environment. Also, people with chronic conditions need to know that avoidance of needed care could ultimately be as big a threat as the virus itself.
As we fight coronavirus, we need to combat perceptions that everyone else must stay away from the hospital. The pandemic toll will be much worse if it leads people to avoid care for life-threatening, yet treatable, conditions like heart attacks and strokes.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:47 am to supatigah
They're all Rona now.
Can't scare the Karens with heart attacks.
Can't scare the Karens with heart attacks.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:49 am to supatigah
Didn't the CDC mandated that all illnesses other than the virus be postponed until further notice?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:50 am to supatigah
Rush just quoted a stat...How many people listed as a Corona death had zero underlying medical problems that could have been actual cause of death? 1.9%.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:51 am to supatigah
I could see people going in with heart attack and the doctors seeing them and saying, "they are in respitory distress, most likely corona, get them on a vent"
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:53 am to supatigah
Guns....cancer...gout... gangrene....broken legs...stroke.....all elective problems or they are chrona deaths.......
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:53 am to supatigah
The Covid numbers seem to be as easily manipulated as numbers in a democRat polling precinct.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:54 am to wareaglepete
Wonder what happens if you are killed in an auto accident and they find you had corona.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:58 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
They're all Rona now.
I'm surprised we are not seeing more of "the hardening of the arteries" excuse for deaths. For you young folks, 40 years ago and before, this was the diagnosis doctors used when they couldn't pinpoint an exact cause of death.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:59 am to supatigah
Trump cured heart attacks!!!
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:07 pm to Zach
quote:
Wonder what happens if you are killed in an auto accident and they find you had corona.
‘‘Twas the rona that killed you.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:13 pm to BestBanker
quote:
Trump cured heart attacks!!!
CNN: Trump puts cardiologists out of work.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:13 pm to supatigah
something's amiss here. If I think I'm having a heart attack or a stroke I'm not putting off going to the hospital because of Corona.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:34 pm to LSUSkip
quote:
something's amiss here. If I think I'm having a heart attack or a stroke I'm not putting off going to the hospital
Exactly. No one is going to do that. Take your chances with a heart attack or blown appendix vs. getting corona? That would be a no brainer.
As they say, something fricky is going on.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:41 pm to supatigah
Hospitals are getting reimbursed for Coronavirus cases so they are classifying everything they can Chinese Flu.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:49 pm to wareaglepete
quote:
could see people going in with heart attack and the doctors seeing them and saying, "they are in respitory distress, most likely corona, get them on a vent"
More likely we are all positive because it was so spreadable. The patients come in for certian symptoms...get tested, test positive, and get labeled from that point forward.
Happened with my Mother in the 80's..she had a history of intestinal obstruction. Comes in with intestines not working. After history is taken an NG is put down to relieve the obstruction....
Problem was it was actually pancreatitis which took them 3+ days to realize and they almost killed her. Pancreatitis causes intestinal ileus as a part of the presentation...just as heart attack causes shortness of breath and chest tightness...er Corona....see how that works.
If we are all positive on some level then everything that walks through the door will be labeled Corona.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:08 pm to supatigah
Here is your likely answer:
Sleep
People are sleeping in...
Why does that matter
Most events happen in the AM (due to stress hormones rising to get you up...)
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2018/10/26/can-daylight-saving-time-hurt-the-heart-prepare-now-for-spring
Pretty consistent phenonoma that occurs when the construct changes (mainly on the "loss" of spring forward)
People are more grounded in their circadian rythym (outside more, sleeping in...)
I have argued elsewhere that the construct of modern living kills people...
This is a small window into how this works...
Sleep
People are sleeping in...
Why does that matter
Most events happen in the AM (due to stress hormones rising to get you up...)
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2018/10/26/can-daylight-saving-time-hurt-the-heart-prepare-now-for-spring
quote:
Can daylight saving time hurt the heart? Prepare now for spring
By American Heart Association News
quote:
For people who have heart-related problems, they may want to apply that extra 60 minutes in their day toward making healthier lifestyle changes. That's because researchers say when daylight saving time returns, it brings with it a higher chance of having a stroke or heart attack.
Pretty consistent phenonoma that occurs when the construct changes (mainly on the "loss" of spring forward)
quote:
A combination of those risk factors and the disruption to the body's internal clock, or its circadian rhythm, may be enough to throw the entire body off balance, said Michael Grandner, director of the Sleep and Health Research Program at the University of Arizona in Tucson.
"If you look under the car hood, you see lots of belts and gears and pistons and all sorts of parts that have their own rhythms, but which are related to each other," he said. "The body has lots of similar rhythms, so anything from the rhythm of your blood pressure, to the rhythm of your body temperature, your hormones, how you metabolize blood sugar or consolidate memories. All of these systems are within the same body and many are at least indirectly related to each other."
When daylight saving time kicks in, the process artificially changes the external environment without adjusting the body's internal clock, essentially giving the body jet lag, Grandner said. The body then needs to reset and synchronize its internal systems.
"But when you get people who are ill or who already have some hormonal disruption or other biological problem that depends on a clock, that's where you get problems," he said. "It's why you have things like a heart attack. There's a rhythm to heart function, and when all of a sudden you jostle that rhythm for a heart already very sensitive or diseased or struggling to stay healthy, you disrupt its ability to regulate itself properly for a day or so."
People are more grounded in their circadian rythym (outside more, sleeping in...)
I have argued elsewhere that the construct of modern living kills people...
This is a small window into how this works...
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:31 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
Here is your likely answer:
Sleep
People are sleeping in...Most events happen in the AM (due to stress hormones rising to get you up...)
Very doubtful. You're ignoring the stress about 80% of this country is living with because they believe they're going to die if they come into contact with another person. Just a guess, but I bet the nation's "stress level" is substantially higher during this "biblical pandemic" with its death scoreboards and 50 million people headed to the unemployment line than it was last Christmas.
Popular
Back to top


11













