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re: Maybe this thing is almost over - Oxford theory UPDATED OP showing more evidence
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:51 am to Powerman
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:51 am to Powerman
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Well that's some encouraging news
Here is some more encouraging news:
FDA approves first US coronavirus treatment: Doctors across the US can now treat the sickest Americans with plasma from recovered patients
If that can be combined with the quick test looking for antibodies, we can increase the donor pool and get more plasma from people who have recovered.
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Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:52 am to noonan
I was sick from the last week in January until basically the end of February. Cough, shortness of breath, occasional fever, and a lot of phlegm. Never any vomiting or some of the other symptoms.
Was tested for the flu, didn't have it. Took chest x-rays and said they thought I had pneumonia. Sent me home with antibiotics, steroids, and a nebulizer. I still had a lingering cough for about 6 weeks. Missed a week and a half of work and went to the Dr about 4-5 times.
I've been thinking about this for a while...
Was tested for the flu, didn't have it. Took chest x-rays and said they thought I had pneumonia. Sent me home with antibiotics, steroids, and a nebulizer. I still had a lingering cough for about 6 weeks. Missed a week and a half of work and went to the Dr about 4-5 times.
I've been thinking about this for a while...
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:56 am to Catchfalaya
quote:There are also millions of people who got the numerous seasonal flu strains, the common cold or various other viruses that come and go.
There are millions of people with mild symptoms but will never know if they had it because you can’t get tested unless you have a high fever.
I think CV19 is far more prevalent than the confirmed numbers, but I also think confirmation bias is running rampant leading many who suffered from allergies, food sickness, bacterial throat infections, etc. in the past 2-3 months to attribute it to coronavirus.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:56 am to Penrod
I feel like the whole “I think I had Coronavirus back in December” phenomenon is kind of similar to the “I think there was a 9/11 hijacker on my plane a few months before the attacks.”
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 2:31 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 5:32 am to FairhopeTider
Unfortunately as much as I want to wish many people have had it, the reality is even in the people with the symptoms now that are getting tested somewhere around 50-75% are getting their tests back negative for Corona. Now I’m curious how accurate the tests are, but that just shows that it’s impossible to say who actually has had it.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 5:47 am to DollaChoppa
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Right, it doesn't really make sense to me unless someone can present some info on a spike in deaths and hospitals already being packed, like we saw from flu season a few years ago.
Like it doesn't really give me reassurance that we've just been magically ignoring it's spread as a problem until we started testing since we didnt see the same issue with deaths and the healthcare system being taxed.
As a poster said before, the spread would have to be faster than we are guessing. If so, the spread was too fast for social distancing to control because it was already gone like wildfire.
If true, the question I have is why hasn’t Japan had more hospital cases? If he disease spread like wildfire among Japan’s aging population, wouldn’t we have seen more deaths?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 5:58 am to Powerman
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This is probably stupid but would it be scientifically possible to create an alternate test for people who previously had it and survived?
Yes. This will tell the tale. I’ve been saying this for a week - where is the statistical sampling?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:08 am to baldona
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Unfortunately as much as I want to wish many people have had it, the reality is even in the people with the symptoms now that are getting tested somewhere around 50-75% are getting their tests back negative for Corona. Now I’m curious how accurate the tests are, but that just shows that it’s impossible to say who actually has had it.
This does not militate against the OP article. They are writing about people who have had the virus and have developed antibodies, thus probably immunity. The tests would not detect them, nor or they likely to be tested.
Those tests are showing us that 50% to 75% of folks with symptoms have something else.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:31 am to DollaChoppa
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Right, it doesn't really make sense to me unless someone can present some info on a spike in deaths and hospitals already being packed, like we saw from flu season a few years ago. Like it doesn't really give me reassurance that we've just been magically ignoring it's spread as a problem until we started testing since we didnt see the same issue with deaths and the healthcare system being taxed. If it's been here for months, why are the deaths only noticeable now? Concealed as a "bad flu season"? Until recently when it was apparent it wasn't a problem? But it sure seems to have spread slowly then at the beginning if true, when no one was being careful to prevent spread of the virus. Idk. I could buy a month earlier, but not anything before that.
If this theory were true, could the hospital spike be attributed to us just being much further along the curve than originally thought? If it’s been here for months it seems like we would be near the peak with a much lower hospitalization and mortality rate than originally thought. Someone please correct me if that is flawed reasoning.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:34 am to Penrod
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:35 am to DollaChoppa
Agreed DollaChoppa. I wouldn’t be surprised if the spread is 10 to 100 times current estimates with our limited testing.
I hope it’s true, but there are some data points that would suggest that isn’t the case. Nursing homes is the biggest one... if this has infected half the population you would have seen many more cases like the Washington nursing home in January/February. That would have raised alarms pretty quickly.
I hope it’s true, but there are some data points that would suggest that isn’t the case. Nursing homes is the biggest one... if this has infected half the population you would have seen many more cases like the Washington nursing home in January/February. That would have raised alarms pretty quickly.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:38 am to CivilTiger83
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this has infected half the population you would have seen many more cases like the Washington nursing home in January/February. That would have raised alarms pretty quickly.
This unfortunately. How has no major spikes happened yet if it’s been around a while? Statistically speaking that should have happened? The only possibility and hope, is that it has but it was blamed on something like a bad flu outbreak because nothing else was expected?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:44 am to Penrod
I think the actual fatality rate is less than 1%. The deaths are fully reported, meanwhile half the people that have it never get tested.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:50 am to Catchfalaya
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but will never know if they had it because you can’t get tested unless you have a high fever.
Antibody test. It's coming.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:55 am to DollaChoppa
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unless someone can present some info on a spike in deaths
Since January Most of the deaths are attributed to the flu and pneumonia and a couple hundred deaths among the elderly spread among flu and respiratory symptoms in the US during the winter and flu season is a blip on the radar no one would notice
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hospitals already being packed
Are they though? People are going to the hospital to get tested but most are sent home.
This is a media driven panic because the media absolutely refuses to report:
Number of negative tests
Number of positive tests not requiring hospitalization
Number of recoveries
Etc.....
They just keep harping constantly on total number of deaths and positive cases without putting any of that into context
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:56 am to Penrod
Been saying this.
I'm floored they are shutting economies without sound data on the scope of infections.
I'm floored they are shutting economies without sound data on the scope of infections.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:57 am to CivilTiger83
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you would have seen many more cases like the Washington nursing home in January/February. That would have raised alarms pretty quickly.
Would it have?
Do you know how many old people die a day in this country especially during flu season?
Have there been many more cases since then like that nursing home? It’s an outlier not the norm.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:57 am to Penrod
Two co-workers are certain they had the virus about a month ago. All the symptoms, negative flu test, etc.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 7:05 am to FleurDeLonestar
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While I don't remember if the cough was dry or not, I can't help but think it was this or some ugly cousin of it.
This is why anecdotes of people who think or are positive they've had it but weren't tested aren't very useful.
COVID-19 emerged in China in December. You didn't have it.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 7:17 am to Penrod
The Imperial College report will go down as the most expensive document in world history.
Unlike every other purely academic research paper ever written by man's hand, it was immediately accepted as gospel truth and real world policy decisions predicated on its conclusions were made.
It is the most fascinating aspect of this entire debacle. Any conspiracy theorist worth his salt should be digging into the money & institution behind this paper.
Unlike every other purely academic research paper ever written by man's hand, it was immediately accepted as gospel truth and real world policy decisions predicated on its conclusions were made.
It is the most fascinating aspect of this entire debacle. Any conspiracy theorist worth his salt should be digging into the money & institution behind this paper.
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