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re: Serious questions about the "millions of us already had/recovered from this" theory
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:35 pm to dsides
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:35 pm to dsides
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Early reports out of New York’s testing show that over 90% of the people tested that thought they had it tested negative. Part of the problem with testing and lack of supplies is the strain on the system based on mitigation initiatives. Too many resources allocated to testing people that don’t have it.
You probably had a cold (which I think is also a Coronavirus)
The common cold is actually from one of the rhinoviruses. I usually go to a doc in the box (i.e. Emergicare) every year when I get one (or more) colds and they identify it as such. They had no clue what it was (other than it wasn't the flu) this year.
I tend to believe I only had a cold too but I've never had a cold that caused me to miss nearly a week or work like both of these did. Not to mention the asthma like symptoms (I've never had asthma in my life) and the unusual lack of congestion involved especially with the bout I had in early February.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:36 pm to Govt Tide
I had what was diagnosed as Bronchitis in February. Same symptoms
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:38 pm to biscuitsngravy
I used a steady dose of a generic Nyquil lite cough syrup. Still didn't do much to slow down the cough but helped me rest.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:42 pm to Govt Tide
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I tend to believe I only had a cold too but I've never had a cold that caused me to miss nearly a week or work like both of these did. Not to mention the asthma like symptoms (I've never had asthma in my life) and the unusual lack of congestion involved especially with the bout I had in early February.
This is a perfect paraphrase of my situation(see previous post).
I just simply believe there’s too many of these stories to discount it.
ETA: I meant I could paraphrase my situation with your post, not that you paraphrased my post. Just in case you took it the wrong way.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:42 pm to biscuitsngravy
Yes indeed, that sore throat is one of the common complaints, that is why we do a strep test on them.
Cough is common, non productive mostly.
X-ray is negative, except for the elderly with other medical issues.
Fever is elevated but nothing Tylenol cannot reduce, 101 to 102 is usual.
Sore throat is just the biggest complaint and feeling bad. Not flu A like, we can tell those people right away because they looked bad, no we are talking about people in there 20's and 30's.
Don't know and we never will unless an antibody titre is developed for this test. I still believe it was here earlier than advertised.
Cough is common, non productive mostly.
X-ray is negative, except for the elderly with other medical issues.
Fever is elevated but nothing Tylenol cannot reduce, 101 to 102 is usual.
Sore throat is just the biggest complaint and feeling bad. Not flu A like, we can tell those people right away because they looked bad, no we are talking about people in there 20's and 30's.
Don't know and we never will unless an antibody titre is developed for this test. I still believe it was here earlier than advertised.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:47 pm to Govt Tide
Well we also test for 4 other strains of corona virus that cause respiratory issues, aka the common cold.
There are a bunch of rhino, corona, para influenza and don't forget the big killer in this group that causes pneumonia....
Streptococcus Pneumoniae, that little bastard used to get me non stop when I had sinus infections. It is a killer and a bacteria and many people wait to long before they come in and get septic.
There are a bunch of rhino, corona, para influenza and don't forget the big killer in this group that causes pneumonia....
Streptococcus Pneumoniae, that little bastard used to get me non stop when I had sinus infections. It is a killer and a bacteria and many people wait to long before they come in and get septic.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:48 pm to Govt Tide
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The common cold is actually from one of the rhinoviruse
A Coronavirus also accounts for some common colds.
You likely did not have covid-19. Either way sounds like you are well now so good news.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:49 pm to Govt Tide
This doesn't make sense to me because at the rate we know this virus spreads...hospitals would have been slammed months ago instead of right now.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:55 pm to tiggerthetooth
We were getting slammed in ER. I could barely keep up with the flu and strep kits as we were going through them so fast.
Just a bunch of negative tests, doesn't mean the people were not sick, they were just sent home with fluids, fever reducers, rest and come back if you get worse, aka viral syndrome.
As soon as this corona virus hit and people were told to stay home our patient load in ER dropped. We had people calling to see if we had corona virus patients because they would not come if we did.
Just a bunch of negative tests, doesn't mean the people were not sick, they were just sent home with fluids, fever reducers, rest and come back if you get worse, aka viral syndrome.
As soon as this corona virus hit and people were told to stay home our patient load in ER dropped. We had people calling to see if we had corona virus patients because they would not come if we did.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:56 pm to Govt Tide
quote:>20% are coronaviruses.
The common cold is actually from one of the rhinoviruses.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:59 pm to RTM4
Who is the negative down voter in this thread? You have direct contact with patients?
You don't like information coming directly from acute care?
I get it, it doesn't fit your narrative that we are all going to die.
I never said this isn't something to worry about, just giving real life numbers.
You don't like information coming directly from acute care?
I get it, it doesn't fit your narrative that we are all going to die.
I never said this isn't something to worry about, just giving real life numbers.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:39 pm to Govt Tide
I've said it multiple times on here but my wife and youngest son were both sick as shite with dry, unproductive cough, high fevers, and tested negative for influenza but discharged and treated for "unspecified viral infections".
This was January into February and the son was first, lasted about three weeks, then as he was recovering the wife got the exact same symptoms. Two others of us in the house, and we never had any symptoms of anything at all, even slightly.
This shite has been here. Mass antibody tests need to be done soon and reported to the CDC. The truth will come out. I'm personally 99% positive in my gut that it has already cycled through my household.
This was January into February and the son was first, lasted about three weeks, then as he was recovering the wife got the exact same symptoms. Two others of us in the house, and we never had any symptoms of anything at all, even slightly.
This shite has been here. Mass antibody tests need to be done soon and reported to the CDC. The truth will come out. I'm personally 99% positive in my gut that it has already cycled through my household.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:20 pm to thetempleowl
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As has been said before the exponential rate of growth points against this.
Also if this was here since December, we would have more people infected them and this the rate of spread would be blunted.
I think we can say that is not true.
I understand your point but the rate of growth now vs two months ago is kinda meaningless if there wasn't a CV test to diagnose the tens of thousands of people with respiratory flu like symptoms that were testing negative for the flu back then that have since recovered and would now test negative for CV if tested.
CV testing in any significant numbers didn't start until the last week or two. How then would the current spike in the daily growth of positive CV tests have any revelance to the countless people with similar symptoms the previous 3 months when the earlier cases of what very well may have been positive CV tests had the test been available then be relevant.
I'm not arguing with your point or saying you're wrong but the lack of any testing of CV testing now as opposed to say 6 weeks ago would be apples to oranges.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:34 pm to Govt Tide
my nurse-daughter says her clinics also saw similar symptoms back in December..... negative flu tests, too.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:36 pm to Govt Tide
I went and got tested for strep and the flu in December when I was running a fever with a sore throat and both was negative. Gave me a steroid shot and sent me on my way. Lasted about a week.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:38 pm to Boatshoes
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Think about this for a minute.
If millions of us "already had this and recovered", the graph of new cases discovered would look like what?
And as testing was ramped up even further it would look like what?
...what does it actually look like?
If all of us that had this mystery crud flooding Dr's offices in December, January, and February were tested for the Wuhan virus back then, then this artificial "spike" that is resulting from the very recent start of testing would not be a spike and would be more of a flat curve.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:21 pm to Govt Tide
I work in healthcare and have the same theory. We experienced the same things, as far back as November.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:29 pm to Govt Tide
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Is it possible all the people back in Dec and Jan who had these symptoms couldn't have been from Covid or do the experts know for sure it's only been in the U.S. since mid January at the absolute earliest?
My experience mirrors yours.
Mrs. M. and I both got sick the Friday (Mrs. M.) and Saturday evening (Me) before Christmas 2019. I drove her to the walk-in clinic Friday and she drove me Sunday. Both tested negative for flu. Mucinex OTC for her with a pack of steroids and 10 days of antibiotics. Same for me but they also gave me a prednisone injection. She improved but relapsed and I had to take her back Christmas Eve when she too was given a prednisone injection and a breathing treatment.
We both had the symptoms you described with breathing difficulties very early on and persisting over the course of our illness getting slowly better near the end of it. We're both in our mid-late 60s.
All three physicians that saw us confirmed we were negative for flu and probably had the new flu that was showing up so much at that time. "Seems like a flu sort of, maybe something new the flu shot missed is my guess." Almost a direct quote.
Both of us were diagnosed with bronchitis and told stay on top of it because we were not too far away from pneumonia and told it was good we came in immediately when we first got sick.
We self isolated. Our family Christmas celebration was postponed until New Year's Day and she and I were washed out physically and still had some hacking coughing right up to the Tigers dismantling of Clemson, 42-25.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:30 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
Had this in early December. Was called bronchitis after negative for flu or strep. I’m 29 and it really was just a dry cough and some shortness of breath with soar throat a bit from the cough. Prescribed cough syrup and laying around for 3 days was really all I needed.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:35 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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I’ve posted ad nauseam on here so I’ll abbreviate it. I had a non-flu respiratory-only illness in mid-January unlike anything I’ve ever had before
As did I. January 2nd or 3rd. I NEVER get sick, mind you, and went to Urgent Care with an almost 105-degree fever. It was the first time I can recall seeking medical help in about two decades. My fever was so high it scared the nurse practitioner to the point that her office called me for consecutive days afterward to check-in. I had no head congestion but a horrible lingering cough that took a good two weeks to get over. After my initial fever had subsided over a couple of days, it came back though not as severe. It took me a good two and a half weeks to get over it. I had absolutely no energy.
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