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re: Granting dying wishes vs going against a parents wishes.

Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by BlackAdam
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:33 pm to
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Ok, say i baptize them this Sunday. Wouldn’t I be a bad parent if I don’t bring them mass the next Sunday?


Were you married in the church? If so you are already neglecting a vow you made on their behalf, so what is one more? You make the promises at baptism on their behalf. And if you were married in the church you are already breaking similar promises made during a Catholic nuptial, so im not sure how breaking these would make you any worse of a parent. If not married in the Church disregard.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:36 pm to
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You're missing the point on this entirely. This isn't the context of a simple irreligious household, it's the reality of what the following sequence would likely do to a 4 and 5 year old's perception of religion and their parents in the long-term.

"We're going to let you all make choices on religion when you're older."

Next week out of nowhere: "We changed our thinking on this, we're going to have you all partake in the first sacrament of Christianity right away."

Next month: "I know it is confusing but you don't need to worry about church anymore."

If the above goes down, the kids end up confused in the short-term and locks for agnosticism/atheism when they're older.


I understand you entirely. You are seriously overstating the mental capacity of small children.
Posted by Man4others
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:37 pm to
Baptize your kids
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:32 pm to
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both reasonable and useful.
Did you just use the phrase “reasonable and useful” in terms of religion?

And in regards to you believing in a “civil society” and how religion can dictate and guide the weak minded, do you need a fictional man in the sky to “teach” you how to be a “good person” and not be a dick towards other people?

You can boil the *ENTIRE* bible and it’s commandments down to one phrase:

“Do unto others as you would like be done to you”

That’s it. And my jimmies aren’t rustled. I could debate religious inconsistencies and inaccuracies forever.

But as much as I don’t try to keep people from having their “faith”, I appreciate people who believe not being ridiculous about it.

Religion is like a penis. It’s something to have and be proud of... but I draw the line of tolerance when you shove it down my throat.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:38 pm to
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You can boil the *ENTIRE* bible and it’s commandments down to one phrase:

“Do unto others as you would like be done to you”


Nope. No more than you can boil the entire cosmos down to "Twinkle, twinkle Little Star"..
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:48 pm to
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Nope
Sorry, Rabbi... but I would love to hear your debate argument against it
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 5:55 pm
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:03 pm to
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Sorry, Rabbi... but I would love to hear your debate argument against it



I'm not against that "Golden Rule", but I feel like there are many things that Jesus says that very important and have a lot to do with other portions of Faith.

Since I know you'll ask, even though it's just my opinion...

-Charity
-A recognition of the Source of all life...
-A willingness to do what's necessary (suffer?) to maintain and grow your Faith...

Anyway... In many opinions of those who live in their Faith, it simply can't be boiled down to a sentence.

Posted by Macintosh504
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:03 pm to
Dying wishes are so selfish of those who are about to be deceased. Guilting their loved ones to do things while you’re on your death bed isnt right
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:06 pm to
Lol dude take off your fedora and baptize your kids
Posted by 19557LSU
Member since Jan 2018
342 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:15 pm to
This!
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:41 pm to
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TIGERBAIT84


Haven’t read the entire thread, but of what I have, you’ve gotten a bunch of responses from some projecting arse retards.

“She’s selfish”?!?!? This woman is knocking on deaths door and what is she doing? Blowing it out? Checking off her bucket list?

No. In her final days, her efforts are toward securing eternal bliss for her great grand children.

I don’t share her convictions, but I can recognize her intentions are far from selfish.



This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 6:42 pm
Posted by RustyTiger
Daytona Beach, FL
Member since Jul 2005
958 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:57 pm to
Are you also not going to give your kids any Christin education? For the sake of their future in life you might really want to consider this as well.
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36384 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:57 pm to
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Charity
How does the “Golden Rule” not apply here?
quote:

A recognition in the Source of all life
How does this apply outside of an internal meaning for solace/understanding?
quote:

A willingness to do what’s necessary
Again, the rule applies here too.

#boomlawyered
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39210 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:00 pm to
Late here too. Baptizing isn’t somehow predetermining your kid’s belief system, it’s pacifying you and your family’s. Pretty damn hipster not to, I like it.

I was cured of religion too. I also baptized my son and have sent him to 10 years of private catholic school. 5 more to go.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:04 pm to
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What would you do?


Not do it and tell her I did
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39210 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:06 pm to
Are these kids ‘intact’ so to speak?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:37 pm to
It's not projecting, it's just blatant ignorance to admit you aren't and don't understand Catholics and then to determine her reasons for asking were selfish.

Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8437 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:41 pm to
I know I’m late to the conversation here but I am similar to you. I have not had my children baptized, I was brought up catholic.

If it was requested by an elder family member, I’d have the kids baptized if it meant that much to them. It doesn’t mean much to me one way or another and to the kids it’s a splash of water.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68539 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:58 pm to
Exactly thst was my point

I didn’t think I needed to elaborate it
Posted by Tiger in the Sticks
Back in the Boot
Member since Jan 2007
1456 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:26 pm to
I would absolutely do it, for the measure of peace it will bring her. It’s very rare to be in a position to do that.
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