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re: Lonzo Ball is massive piece for NOLA.

Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by NOSHAU
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:12 pm to
Sorry, if you are talking about a core to build the team around for the future, I have to think Ball is far ahead of Favors in that sense.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 11:13 pm
Posted by P bean
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:12 am to
Team lost 13 straight without Favors. Disagree.
Posted by Pelicans247
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:59 am to
Maybe lonzo would’ve had a better per this season if Gentry played him at the 5 instead of the 3 for half the season??

Love the context from lonzo haters.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 5:38 pm
Posted by Macintosh504
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 1:13 am to
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Team lost 13 straight without Favors. Disagree.

do you actually watch the games tho? you thinking the 24 minute a night man is more valuable than Lonzo than you’re just showing how retarded you really are
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 1:14 am
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:33 am to
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do you actually watch the games tho? you thinking the 24 minute a night man is more valuable than Lonzo than you’re just showing how retarded you really are


I guess we lost 13 games because Favors wasn't there. During the 16 game stretch he was out, we won the first 3 and lost the 1st 3 when he came back., It may also have helped that during that loss streak, we played the Lakers, Clippers, Jazz, Mavericks (2), Thunder (2), Bucks and 76ers. But I guess we would have beaten those teams with Favors.

I like Favors and think he has a role, but do not see him as a core building block for the future of the team.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 9:34 am
Posted by Aussie_Pelican
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:34 pm to
I'd rather draft a guy like Killian Tillie and sign A. Baynes for one to two seasons until Hayes develops.
Posted by P bean
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:39 pm to
Im talking about the most valuable players on the team right now. If we’re talking in 5-10 years obviously Zo should outrank Favors. Because he’ll be either 33 or 38 by then.

Posted by P bean
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:41 pm to
This team is swiss cheese without Favors on defense dude. Not to mention his 9/10 statline which is a sneaky good stat line for a great defenseive player in todays NBA. shite we’re already swiss cheese. Without Favors we are screwed. Dont be a retard.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11977 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

Im talking about the most valuable players on the team right now. If we’re talking in 5-10 years obviously Zo should outrank Favors. Because he’ll be either 33 or 38 by then.



Maybe we have a different definition of core. I see the core as those players the team will build around going forward.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:46 pm to
Your obsession with counting statistics is humorous.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:51 pm to
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According to Pelton, Marks & Schmitz of ESPN, Pelicans have 3 of the top 25 NBA players under the age of 25 based on future potential.

2) Zion Williamson
9) Brandon Ingram
25) Lonzo Ball
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61584 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:08 pm to
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This team is swiss cheese without Favors on defense dude.


Shamit had some interesting comments about Favors. Basically he's got good regular season numbers but he won't be as effective in the playoffs and compared him to 2014-15 Asik in the sense that he was an essential piece to get to the playoffs but then wasn't useful in them.

I can see it to a certain degree but unlike Asik, Favors has been surprisingly effective on offense as a safety valve and offensive rebounder. Many of his catches and scores in tight space have been impressive.

We almost need to make the playoffs just to get a good read on whether we should bring back Favors or not.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 10:09 pm
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:22 pm to
Favors has been sneaky valuable on this team so far. Agreed re: playoffs if we can make it.
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:34 pm to
Gyno, where is Zo on that list in comparison to BI on the under 25 list? Thats right, he’s right behind john collins, jonathan isaac, sabonis and MP jr. at 25. Barely made the list.

But on this board Zo outranks BI for some retarded reason, also my point.

Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:38 pm to
Whether we should try to keep Favors for a longer contract will be interesting.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:38 pm to
You ignorance of stats is ignorant. You shouldnt be posting your fact lacking based opinions.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72064 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:43 pm to
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But on this board Zo outranks BI for some retarded reason, also my point.



This board? You mean like one person

Just think if someone took one of your dumbass takes and gave it to the whole board. frick that gtfo
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:49 pm to
The core 3 for this team is Zion/BI/Jrue. This will be our most important players for the life of Zion’s rookie contract. Jrue is locked down to a long term deal, and his timeline runs with Zions deal (4 year deal over in 2023 buttt we have his rookie rights etc), at the end of which Jrue will still be a good player in 2022 (jrue’s contract). He wont be diminished at 31-33, like a post player might be etc. Jrue takes care of himself, etc, missed some seasons rehabbing his leg.

Our first priority after this season will likely be locking down BI long term.

They (BI/Zion/Ingram) are our core 3 for the life of Zion’s rookie deal unless we lose BI somehow to someone else, or convince a better allstar to replace BI (which I dont see happening). BI is likely a max player, or someone who will be paid highly like Jrue.

Favors has been a valuable Center, who is giving us good minutes, production, and efficiency. He’s got two years with us and is free agent after to 20-21 season. We may or may not keep him for the life of zion’s rookie year deal. He’s on a two year, 36 million dollar deal.

Zo is in the same boat as Favors. We will be deciding on whether to keep based upon the price and competition to sign him in free agency, he will also be a free agent after the 20-21 season.

Both Favors and Zo will chase the best deal they can get. Zo will not be staying here for a bargain. He’s definitely going to try to get paid. Favors is a vet. He may chase a ring for less money. So we’ll see.

But our core 3 is BI/Zion/Jrue for obvious reasons that this board doesnt seem to understand. That could change after the next three years (i.e. 2022 season) but for now I doubt it. This should be their team for the next three years minimum.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 10:57 pm
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:07 pm to
Ingram is a better player, Lonzo is better at more things than Ingram is though.

Ingram: better shooter, better scorer.

Lonzo: better defender, better playmaker, better rebounder


Not crazy to say Lonzo can have more impact on a game than Ingram even though BI is the better player.
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:45 am to
You are making my point for me about the Zo obsession.

BI is way better than Zo and is not close. Zo is def not a better rebounder either, or playmaker. BI can score on his own. He’s a shooter, slasher, gets rebounds and assists, and has basically shown himself to be a future star this season. He impacts the game more than Zo, is more important than Zo and WILL get paid wayyyyyy more than Zo. Zo has a long way to go before he earns the type of money BI is about to get paid.

Youre making my point. Thanks!
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 12:57 am
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